[Sugar-devel] Language Support

[Walter Bender]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Sam P. <sam at sam.today> wrote:
> Hey Tony,
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:51 PM Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Sam
>>
>> My concern is not the execution of the panel, but how we explain it to
>> users. Remember our target audience is teachers and students in primary
>> school in the
>> developing world with little or no prior computer experience. As
>> developers, we often see things as simple because we have used many others
>> like it. It may not
>> be so simple to those who do not have that experience.
>
>
> Yep.  But we don't have a selector in the intro, so they'd be pretty amazing
> to find the language settings if it wasn't configured by their deployment :)
>
>>
>>
>> However, we probably should think about the dialect/region selection. If I
>> have selected Arabic, perhaps the dialect/region list should be in Arabic.
>
>
> Ticket:  https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4449

Makes sense. I will investigate as I am the guilty party here.

>
>>
>>
>> We may also want to think about that list - do the entries represent
>> countries where the language is spoken or represent dialects? I suspect the
>> lists were
>> copied from earlier releases.
>
>
> They're just the system languages, so that is an issue for the distribution.
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On 08/12/2015 01:38 PM, Sam P. wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tony,
>>
>> The control panel is very simple.  The left column is the language and the
>> right column is the region/dialect.
>>
>> Maybe that should be a column header?
>>
>> Also, there is no conflicting "+" and "add" buttons.  The dropdown for the
>> language selectors in a up or down arrow, while the add a new language
>> button is a "+".  The hitbox for the expand/contract the dropdown includes
>> the button and the label, making it more discoverable.
>>
>> Maybe it should use palettes (or modals with search!) to be more
>> consistent, but it is actually a very nice ui considering it does a very
>> complex job.
>>
>> I opened the control panel on the same OLPC OS image that you are running,
>> can can not reproduce many (any?) of the issues you're describing.
>>
>> Please consider opening separate tickets for the issues.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sam
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:26 PM Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> To continue the story. The way it works, you click on the button to the
>>> left of the language (English) to
>>> get a list. You click on the language to get a dialect (or region?). You
>>> click on the dialect to select it. You then click on the
>>> + button to get it 'really' selected. You then click on the top right
>>> button to restart as always.
>>>
>>> After restarting the added language (German) is the system language.
>>> However, when going back to the
>>> language selection in settings, German is the only language shown. So
>>> you need to click to open the language
>>> list, click on English. This opens up the options of Australien and USA.
>>> Incidentally, that is now the only line, the German
>>> option has disappeared.
>>>
>>> I tried Arabic. There are 12 regions or dialects available. That list is
>>> in English. I selected Egypt and was able to
>>> switch to Arabic. To switch back, I clicked on the button to the left of
>>> Arabic (only line). It lists alternate languages
>>> in a mixture of Arabic and Latin alphabets. English is evidently shown
>>> in Arabic but Spanish is Spanish. I selected
>>> Spanish getting 21 regional choices all in Arabic except USA. I selected
>>> USA and switched the system to Spanish.
>>>
>>> I then went back to settings and got a list of languages in Spanish
>>> (Inglés). I selected that option and got a choice
>>> of Australia and USA. I was able to get back to the original English,
>>> USA option.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/12/2015 12:55 PM, Tony Anderson wrote:
>>> > I was surprised and embarrassed yesterday trying to show how easy it
>>> > is to switch
>>> > languages. I was using a 13.2.5 image.
>>> >
>>> > In previous versions, you go to settings and language and get a long
>>> > list of supported
>>> > languages. In 13.2.5, you get a statement: 'Add languages in the order
>>> > you prefer'.
>>> > So I clicked on + to add German. It added another row: English USA + -
>>> >
>>> > In the press of the moment, I couldn't find any other language that
>>> > English USA.
>>> >
>>> > However, today I found that the trick is to click on the button to the
>>> > left of the word English. This
>>> > opens the expected list. Click on German adds a line with dialects:
>>> > Austria, Belgium, Germany, ...
>>> >
>>> > Unfortunately, the use of the word 'add' together with a '+' button at
>>> > least in my case led to confusion.
>>> >
>>> > Tony
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