[Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Recommendations for running Sugar on standard hardware (non-XOs)?

Iain Brown Douglas iain at browndouglas.plus.com
Wed Apr 16 13:25:00 EDT 2014


On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 18:53 +0700, Sam Parkinson wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> Cool tutorial! Sorry about the crashes, I think I have found some of
> the issues but will have to look further. (I committed some fixes to
> the git though). Also now I see which bits of the ui are confusing so
> I will fix that.

I see that I need to use max 800x600 images.

If I wanted to remove all the <h1></h1> from every slide I should do it
more carefully. I did wonder if <h1></h1> is *required*, but I think
not. I should get all the words saved, before adding images. The
opposite of what I tried!

I am guessing that the "Style" must be decided and set, before starting
work.

I am not sure how to optimise the location of the images before starting
work.

When you brought up the subject, I had been playing with Sugarizing
http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/Slidy2/Overview.html#%281%29 - it would
probably be a long time before *I* had it ready to share though!
> 
> [Now on topic]
> I was just wondering, can that command you used be used to move it to
> the hdd? I think the installing to the hdd is what we need. Anyway I
> will setup a virtual box an give it a go (don't worry, I will not
> forget this time).

I am not sure if I have tried that, I imagine it would work. An
advantage of a hdd install is that, I think, the uncompressed image
*sometimes* seems to handle auto-saving the Journal better. In my
experience you need more patience with a USB stick than with hdd
install.

Liveinst is the command I would use for a hdd install.

hdd install is good for using an old "spare" machine, but I think that
the philosophy of a child having their very own learning environment by
a USB stick is one I would like to try to make more easy for new sugar
learners.

Iain
> 
> Sam
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Iain Brown Douglas
> <iain at browndouglas.plus.com> wrote:
>         On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 23:07 +0100, Iain Brown Douglas wrote:
>         > On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 20:54 +0000, Sam Parkinson wrote:
>         > > Hi,
>         > >
>         > > I think we need to make a really simple tutorial and put
>         it on the
>         > > wiki home page. Just something with the link to the iso
>         and lots of
>         > > screenshots :)
>         > >
>         > > I might have a go on the weekend.
>         
>         
>         @Sam Slides 1 is splendid for this job, well done.
>         
>         I had a first run, which produced this: http://is.gd/0kbeMZ
>         It is unfinished of course, but this number of slides seemed
>         to crash
>         3GB of RAM, and the images seem to prevent saving to Journal
>         in SoaS. I
>         will report when I understand why!
>         
>         I will re-work it, and probably shorten it. Next time I will
>         deliver
>         commands straight from the Slide presentation.
>         
>         Any other feedback welcome!
>         
>         > >
>         > > Or maybe we could try to make and 'install' activity for
>         soas?
>         
>         
>         A script.py to identify and unmount the USB stick and create
>         the
>         appropriate command, could be a first step. I wonder if the
>         script could
>         then be delivered by this sort of presentation?
>         
>         
>         >
>         > Both very good ideas, to which I have been giving thought.
>         >
>         > It would be good to fix a "single" method to document - my
>         vote would be
>         > for along the lines of [1]. It would be good to have
>         comments on whether
>         > this "suits all".
>         
>         
>         :"-) (Suits all) as in, meets a reasonably high proportion of
>         use cases.
>         
>         Iain
>         
>         
>         > [1]
>         >
>         http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Testing/Reports/Sugar_on_a_Stick_Persistence
>         >
>         >
>         > Iain
>         >
>         >
>         > >
>         > > Sam
>         > >
>         > > On Apr 9, 2014 4:17 AM, "Thomas Gilliard"
>         <satellitgo at gmail.com>
>         > > wrote:
>         > >
>         > >         On 4/8/2014 9:39 AM, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
>         > >
>         > >         > Hi David,
>         > >         >
>         > >         >
>         > >         > thanks for the link.
>         > >         >
>         > >         >
>         > >         > Given that this page was last updated back in
>         2012 I'm
>         > >         > wondering whether anyone knows if the
>         instructions are still
>         > >         > up-to-date and working?
>         > >         >
>         > >         >
>         > >
>         > >         In general this is still valid. Anaconda - the
>         fedora
>         > >         installer has changed but is still accessed from
>         root terminal
>         > >         in the listview of f3 ( sugar-desktop and SoaS.)
>         of F20 [1]
>         > >         and F21 (rawhide) [2]  with "liveinst'.
>         > >
>         > >         Tom Gilliard
>         > >         satellit
>         > >
>         > >         [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_20
>         > >         [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_21
>         > >         > Cheers,
>         > >         > Christoph
>         > >         >
>         > >         >
>         > >         > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:19 AM, David Beveridge
>         > >         > <bevhost at gmail.com> wrote:
>         > >         >         I would try this method..,
>         > >         >
>         > >         >
>         http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Tutorials/Installation/Install_with_liveinst
>         > >         >
>         > >         >         On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:36 AM,
>         Christoph Derndorfer
>         > >         >         <christoph.derndorfer at gmail.com> wrote:
>         > >         >         > Hey everyone,
>         > >         >         >
>         > >         >         > a guy I know wants to set up a couple
>         of older
>         > >         >         laptops with Sugar in a sort
>         > >         >         > of "learning lab" in Germany and asked
>         me what the
>         > >         >         best route for doing that
>         > >         >         > was. Since I haven't dabbled in that
>         area in quite
>         > >         >         a while I'm not sure what
>         > >         >         > the best recommendations are these
>         days:
>         > >         >         >
>         > >         >         > * using the SoaS version from late
>         December?
>         > >         >         > * installing Fedora 20 and running
>         Sugar on top of
>         > >         >         that?
>         > >         >         > * something entirely different?
>         > >         >         >
>         > >         >         > Any comments, suggestions, links, etc.
>         would be
>         > >         >         much appreciated.
>         > >         >         >
>         > >         >         > Thanks,
>         > >         >         > Christoph
>         > >         >         >
>         > >         >         > --
>         > >         >         > Christoph Derndorfer
>         > >         >         >
>         > >         >         > volunteer, OLPC (Austria)
>         [www.olpc.at]
>         > >         >         > editor, OLPC News [www.olpcnews.com]
>         > >         >         > co-founder, TechnikBasteln®
>         > >         >         [www.technikbasteln.net]
>         > >         >         >
>         > >         >         > e-mail: christoph at derndorfer.eu
>         > >         >         >
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