[Sugar-devel] Fw: [Csnd] Default Scons build and backward compatibility (Csound/Fedora15)

[Art Hunkins]

I too can verify that without ethernet connection there are no activities-not-starting issues at all. Indeed, just about everything seems a bit snappier.

Now if the latest (audio) Records only worked with Fedora15. (For me, the activity seems to record, but plays back a silent file. Then, too, it seems confused as to whether the format is Ogg Speex or Ogg Vorbis.)

Art Hunkins
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peter Robinson 
  To: Art Hunkins 
  Cc: sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 4:05 PM
  Subject: Re: Fw: [Csnd] Default Scons build and backward compatibility (Csound/Fedora15)


  Hey Art,

  AWESOME on the csound.

  On the Activities I've encountered similar results.

  Cheers,
  Peter


  On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Art Hunkins <abhunkin at uncg.edu> wrote:

    Peter -

    Great news - your new Csound modules work *perfectly*.

    FWIW, "perfectly" includes not only the crucial "old-parser" default, but also MIDI and multiple-controller MIDI. (I hadn't suspected problems with these latter two items, but thought I'd mention them anyway.)

    In any case, my Csound-based activities run fine now without modification, and the new Fedora 15 SoaS release will be backwardly compatible as far as Csound (and Csound-python) is concerned.

    BTW, I've a little hint about the "activities not opening" phenomenon. Though often (usually?) they do not open the first time they are selected, if they are selected *again* immediately, they always do open. (Or so it seems.)

    Thanks again for all your help and forbearance with Csound.

    Art Hunkins
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Peter Robinson 
      To: Art Hunkins 
      Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:09 AM
      Subject: Re: Fw: [Csnd] Default Scons build and backward compatibility


      easiest will be 

      "rpm -Uvh http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/csound/5.13.0/5.fc15/i686/csound-5.13.0-5.fc15.i686.rpm http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/csound/5.13.0/5.fc15/i686/csound-python-5.13.0-5.fc15.i686.rpm"

      Peter


      On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Art Hunkins <abhunkin at uncg.edu> wrote:

        Thanks, Peter.

        I'll try this out tomorrow.

        Do I upgrade simply with:
        yum upgrade csound
        ?

        Art Hunkins
          ----- Original Message -----h 

          From: Peter Robinson 
          To: Art Hunkins 
          Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:06 PM
          Subject: Re: Fw: [Csnd] Default Scons build and backward compatibility


          https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/csound-5.13.0-5.fc15


          On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson at gmail.com> wrote:


            Hmm. We'll see how we get on. Build csound-5.13.0-5.fc15 will have the change in it. It will be submitted as an update shortly.

            Peter


            On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Art Hunkins <abhunkin at uncg.edu> wrote:

              Peter,

              FYI (another response). Felipe is the Debian maintainer for Csound. He's quite active and knowledgeable about Csound (and has followed it over a period of time), FWIW.

              bmity 

              Art Hunkins

              ----- Original Message ----- From: "Felipe Sateler" <fsateler at gmail.com> 

              To: <csound at lists.bath.ac.uk>

              Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:32 PM 

              Subject: Re: [Csnd] Default Scons build and backward compatibility



              I agree with most of your comments but... 


              On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 13:02, Art Hunkins <abhunkin at uncg.edu> wrote:


                Everyone knows I'm a Windows person, and normally wouldn't be affected
                by such largely "Linux issues." However, I am involved with the Fedora-based
                Sugar-on-a-Stick project. A new release is about to come out, and Csound has
                been built with default Scons options, resulting in its being incompatible
                with the Activities I've written, as well as with all previous
                Sugar-on-a-Stick releases. This is "a problem that shouldn't be".



              This is really a problem that shouldn't be, but not for the reasons
              you argue. The csound maintainer in fedora should be specifying all
              the features he wants and disabling all that he doesn't. Leaving the
              build script to do whatever it feels like is wrong.




                At the very least, the default Scons script should indicate clearly the
                meaning of each option, and *in giant red letters/flags* (or the equivalent)
                indicate experimental and untested features. Then by all means, make a safe
                and compatible default build.


                Am I way off base? Please let me know what I'm missing.


              This is my opinion only, but relying on defaults is the wrong way to
              build software.


              -- 

              Saludos,
              Felipe Sateler 



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