[Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs
Jameson Quinn
jameson.quinn at gmail.com
Wed Mar 18 11:23:09 EDT 2009
I think that for a GSoC project, we care less about development kits/IDEs
like aptana, than about desktop-apps-with-AJAX solutions like Appcelerator
Titanium, Mozilla Prism (and in closed-source world, Adobe AIR and Curl). I
think it would be a great project to take Titanium or Prism and make a
generic sugar-like hello-world which used Javascript to save to the journal,
set some tags, open a file, coexist with Rainbow, and have a sugary toolbar.
Whether you worked on that activity with Aptana or whatever is a separate
issue.
Disclaimer: I know nothing under the hood about any of the products
mentioned here, so I could be totally wrong.
Jameson
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Bryan Berry <bryan at olenepal.org> wrote:
> They don't compare currently but they are developing rapidly,
> particularly aptana http://www.aptana.com. The great thing about aptana
> is that there is for-profit company behind it that seems to do a good
> job of sponsoring open-source development.
>
> Also, Apple, Palm, and maybe Android are pushing for js+html5 for all
> apps place of flash.
>
> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 10:47 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> > 2009/3/18 Bryan Berry <bryan.berry at gmail.com>:
> > > Felipe,
> > >
> > > "never bet against the browser" is absolutely true
> > >
> > > However, gnash is roughly 2-3 developer years behind macromedia flash.
> > > the big hurdle is adding support for ActionScript3 to Gnash.
> > >
> > > I don't think that better integrating Gnash into Sugar would be the
> best
> > > use of your time. The better bet is to integrate activities created
> with
> > > javascript + html5 into Sugar.
> > >
> > > I earlier advocated a framework called "Karma" for integrating flash
> > > swfs into Sugar. I now believe that javascript + html5 is a much better
> > > bet because it better adheres to our common belief in open-source and
> > > allows "View Source." Also, there are far more javascript developers
> out
> > > there than flash developers. This new rework of Karma could take
> > > advantage of projects like jquery-UI and new javascript animation
> > > libraries like processing.js and GX.
> >
> > That looks very interesting, but what about authoring tools for
> > javascript+html5? Are any that compare to the flash authoring tools?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tomeu
> >
> > > You could start out by trying to recreate some of OLE Nepal's existing
> > > flash activities as javascript + html5. You can find some here:
> > >
> http://www.pustakalaya.org/external-content/static/epaath/E-Paath-2.activity/activity/Activity/MenuStage.html
> > >
> > > If you are interested in such a project, I am definitely be interested
> > > in mentoring you. I have to warn you though that I am professionally a
> > > project manager and not a software engineer. In fact my software
> > > development skills are extremely limited beyond writing broken python
> > > scripts.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bryan W. Berry
> > > Technology Director
> > > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 15:37 -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote:
> > >> Flash is still not open source, and that creates issues when
> > >> distributing it (Adobe does not let you include it pre-installed in
> > >> images for download).
> > >>
> > >> Bryan Berry from OLE Nepal (cc:ed on this mail) has some good ideas
> > >> about how that idea should work, though he's not signed up as a
> > >> mentor. You should think about your design, and then discuss it with
> > >> him AND on the sugar-devel mailing list.
> > >>
> > >> Jameson
> > >>
> > >> 2009/3/17 Felipe López Toledo <zer.subzero at gmail.com>
> > >> Thanks.
> > >>
> > >> I'm interested:
> > >> SWF Sugar
> > >> * Integrate SWF (Flash/Gnash)
> > >> applications into Sugar.
> > >> * Ideally, develop a demo activity which
> > >> could be used as a template for
> > >> sugarizing Flash/Gnash activities.
> > >> * Priority for Sugar: Very High ("never
> > >> bet against the browser")
> > >> * Difficulty (as a GSoC project): hard
> > >> * Skills needed: SWF/Python integration
> > >>
> > >> why Gnash?, there is already a stable version of adobe player
> > >> for linux.
> > >>
> > >> really have very good ideas. Interesting!
> > >>
> > >> Greetings.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Jameson Quinn
> > >> <jameson.quinn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas
> > >>
> > >> Good hunting :)
> > >>
> > >> Jameson
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Felipe López Toledo
> > >> <zer.subzero at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Hi.
> > >>
> > >> I'm Felipe López Toledo, a university student
> > >> I read your message
> > >> (
> http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/0cf911eb31087cd7?hl=en
> )
> > >> I visited
> > >>
> http://sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=page&page=learners
> > >>
> > >> relly good work!.
> > >>
> > >> it would be nice to see you in the GSoC 2009.
> > >> by the way, do you have a project list?
> > >>
> > >> thanks.
> > >>
> > >> Felipe
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > --
> > > Bryan W. Berry
> > > Technology Director
> > > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
> > >
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> > >
> --
> Bryan W. Berry
> Technology Director
> OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
>
>
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