[Marketing] [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking for opinions/ideas!

Tymon Radzik dwgipk at gmail.com
Fri Feb 27 19:08:30 EST 2015


I use FitText to make text being more responsive and stretch it in width
div. I use also some additional jQuery code to take care about logos and
website colors. I will take a look on your PR in a second.
On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:06 Sam P. <sam.parkinson3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Beside a gallery, what features is my version missing?  "My version" is
> 100% based off "yours", see the pull request I sent.
>
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:05 am Tymon Radzik <dwgipk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I can use more if you want Sam ;). Seriously - all libraries I use are
>> needed for website. Your website doesn't require features like my one. We
>> should rather take care about optimization in loading them, not on just
>> telling "oh this is so slow..."
>>
>> Good night :-)
>> On Sat 28 Feb 2015 at 01:02 Sam P. <sam.parkinson3 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think the load speed is caused by Tymon's site using basically every
>>> JavaScript and css library that has ever been published.  Does this version
>>> load faster @Quozl?  https://activities-2.sugarlabs.org/www-sugarlabs/
>>>
>>> On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:30 am James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Same test XO-1 laptop, same URLs, without clearing cache.
>>>>
>>>> http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... load and render 35.343 seconds,
>>>> (previously 31 seconds),
>>>>
>>>> http://sugarlabs.org/ ... load and render 6.064 seconds, (previously
>>>> 5 seconds),
>>>>
>>>> http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon/ ... render only, 14.080 seconds,
>>>> (previously 14 seconds).
>>>>
>>>> http://sugarlabs.org/ ... render only, 4.400 seconds, (previously 3.6
>>>> seconds),
>>>>
>>>> My conclusion is that there has been no change to load and render
>>>> since last test on the XO-1.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the video embedding element is the cause?
>>>>
>>>> Provide a page with and without the video embedding element for
>>>> comparison?
>>>>
>>>> Three seconds on a modern system is still a surprisingly long time
>>>> compared to the original site.  This is a regression.  Can't you
>>>> include those separate files into the main file?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:11:30PM +0000, Tymon Radzik wrote:
>>>> > Hello,
>>>> >
>>>> > Thank you all for your opinions. We'll try to consider/implement
>>>> them. James
>>>> > Cameron - thank you for your data, they were useful. We've hade
>>>> significant
>>>> > changes to page's layout and performance. Please check it now. We've
>>>> done some
>>>> > tests and page loads not longer than 3 seconds. UI is more cleaner
>>>> now. Please
>>>> > take a look on this website - [1]http://tools.pingdom.com/
>>>> fpt/#!/csIQSO/
>>>> > sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>>> >
>>>> > Again, waiting for your suggestions!
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> > Tymon
>>>> >
>>>> > pt., 27 lut 2015 o 12:24 użytkownik samson goddy <[2]
>>>> samsongoddy at hotmail.com>
>>>> > napisał:
>>>> >
>>>> >     ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
>>>> ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
>>>> >     From: [3]samsongoddy at hotmail.com
>>>> >     To: [4]quozl at laptop.org
>>>> >     Subject: RE: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking
>>>> for opinions
>>>> >     /ideas!
>>>> >     Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:20:15 +0100
>>>> >
>>>> >     Hello, I have a little addition to this website, But i am not a
>>>> web
>>>> >     designer but the "Activity Section" is suppose to change. When i
>>>> mean
>>>> >     change, If a user is wanting to download an activity, he/she will
>>>> be
>>>> >     scrolling down to actually find what he or she want and that's no
>>>> a good
>>>> >     idea. What if the activity section have a drop down menu pattern
>>>> or some
>>>> >     like this from this Project mudra site [5][6]
>>>> http://www.projectmudra.com/
>>>> >     it will be faster. Also the head or menu should  have a drop down
>>>> pattern.
>>>> >     The color is kinda brights for the eyes. Since we will be porting
>>>> to this
>>>> >     new site what if every thing should be in drop down pattern just
>>>> like the
>>>> >     [7]http://www.projectmudra.com/ site. Remember i am only
>>>> suggesting.
>>>> >
>>>> >     Best Regards
>>>> >     Samson Goddy
>>>> >
>>>> >     > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 09:30:09 +1100
>>>> >     > From: [8]quozl at laptop.org
>>>> >     > To: [9]dwgipk at gmail.com
>>>> >     > CC: [10]sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> >     > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarLabs.org new website - looking
>>>> for
>>>> >     opinions/ideas!
>>>> >
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > I did that the first time, and I repeated it now. There was no
>>>> >     > real difference.
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:10:54PM +0000, Tymon Radzik wrote:
>>>> >     > > Hello,
>>>> >     > > please try to visit [1][11]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>>> instead of [2]
>>>> >     http://
>>>> >     > > [12]people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon , then there won't be any 304
>>>> >     redirects. Thank you
>>>> >     > > for other suggestions I will take a look on them tomorrow.
>>>> >     > > Tymon
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     > > czw., 26 lut 2015 o 22:57 użytkownik James Cameron <[3][13]
>>>> >     quozl at laptop.org>
>>>> >     > > napisał:
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     > > It took a long time to load.  See Firefox developer console
>>>> >     > > screenshots of query load times:
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     > > [4][14]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-
>>>> times.png
>>>> >     > > [5][15]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-
>>>> load-times.png
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     > > I suggest you check yourself the load times without cache,
>>>> and reduce
>>>> >     > > the number of servers that have to be resolved.  Also
>>>> identify the
>>>> >     > > network speeds of the target market, and how they will
>>>> perceive load
>>>> >     > > times.
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     > > The black text on saturated colours was very hard to read,
>>>> because
>>>> >     > > there was not enough contrast between the text and the
>>>> background.
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     > > The animation of the titles seems unnecessary and distracting.
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     > > Some of the introduction is repeated word for word in the
>>>> About
>>>> >     > > section.
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     > > The style of the embedded activities element is inconsistent
>>>> with the
>>>> >     > > surrounding page style.
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     > > Given recent discussions, there's probably an overemphasis on
>>>> history
>>>> >     > > of Sugar, or the history of computing.
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     > > Otherwise, good progress.
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     > > --
>>>> >     > > James Cameron
>>>> >     > > [6][16]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>>>> >     > > _______________________________________________
>>>> >     > > Sugar-devel mailing list
>>>> >     > > [7][17]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> >     > > [8][18]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     > > References:
>>>> >     > >
>>>> >     > > [1] [19]http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>>> >     > > [2] [20]http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>>> >     > > [3] mailto:[21]quozl at laptop.org
>>>> >     > > [4] [22]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-
>>>> times.png
>>>> >     > > [5] [23]http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-
>>>> load-times.png
>>>> >     > > [6] [24]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>>>> >     > > [7] mailto:[25]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> >     > > [8] [26]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>> >     >
>>>> >     > --
>>>> >     > James Cameron
>>>> >     > [27]http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>>>> >     > _______________________________________________
>>>> >     > Sugar-devel mailing list
>>>> >     > [28]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> >     > [29]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>> >     _______________________________________________
>>>> >     Sugar-devel mailing list
>>>> >     [30]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> >     [31]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>> >
>>>> > References:
>>>> >
>>>> > [1] http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/csIQSO/sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>>> > [2] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
>>>> > [3] mailto:samsongoddy at hotmail.com
>>>> > [4] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>>>> > [5] http://www.projectmudra.com/.
>>>> > [6] http://www.projectmudra.com/
>>>> > [7] http://www.projectmudra.com/
>>>> > [8] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>>>> > [9] mailto:dwgipk at gmail.com
>>>> > [10] mailto:sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> > [11] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>>> > [12] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>>> > [13] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>>>> > [14] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
>>>> > [15] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
>>>> > [16] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>>>> > [17] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> > [18] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>> > [19] http://sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>>> > [20] http://people.sugarlabs.org/~tymon
>>>> > [21] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>>>> > [22] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/tymon-load-times.png
>>>> > [23] http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/2015-02-27/original-load-times.png
>>>> > [24] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>>>> > [25] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> > [26] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>> > [27] http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>>>> > [28] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> > [29] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>> > [30] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>> > [31] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> James Cameron
>>>> http://quozl.linux.org.au/
>>>>
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>>>
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