[IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Adam Holt]

If board members cannot feed themselves in their own country, and
additionally Sugar Labs is being asked to create my-favorite-hotel in
my-favorite-neighborhood welfare handouts for its own board members in
their own countries, we have a far deeper long-term problem on our hands
here, that will unfortunately but certainly not be resolved before June
11/12.

Be It Resolved: we now need to move on.


On Jun 3, 2017 9:39 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongoddy at sugarlabs.org> wrote:



On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org> wrote:

> On Jun 3, 2017 8:37 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.bender at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Please excuse the top post.
>
> I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most
> of you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
> Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
> and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
> within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
> costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
> motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
> conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
> that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800
> stated in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will
> second it so we can vote?
>
>
> Humbly Disagree.
>
> The motion needs to be rewritten specifically so that Samson can:
>
> (1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.
>
I am to visit Lagos by 12th of june to begin my visa process.

>
> (2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end.
>
$600(195,000 naira) will be helpful judging by the current exchange rate,
compare to $500.

My request was 260,000 naira, getting up to 195,000 would be nice.


But one question Adam, what if i get the visa and spend higher than what
was proposed due to the naira gaining rate towards the dollar, supposedly
what was approved was $600(195,000 naira as of today exchange rate)?

Shouldn't we agree on using the Naira as the currency here, since it is
going to be reimbursement? Because it might happen that tomorrow, if the
approved money is $600(195,000) went back to $1 = 170 naira. Right now the
rate is $1 = 325 naira. So the $600 might turn up useless if this happens.


When you told me you came to Nigeria, i believe the rate was $1 = 190
naira, that was why things was cheap in Nigeria compare 2017 $1 = 325
naira.


So this should be consider when trying to lower the money from $800 to any
amount. Because i mentioned the amount i need in naira which was 260,000 i
didn't care about the dollars or euro because it might be $400 or even $300
if the economy turn worst.

So 260,000 Nigerian naira is the total amount of my motion as of today.


On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and
> avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — *by
> saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.*
>

But could this be voted on, as walter suggested?

>
>
> Respecting All,
>
> Adam
>

BR

Samson

>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongoddy at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt" <holt at laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongoddy at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
>>> visa alone.
>>>
>>> Flight and other things connected.
>>>
>>>
>> All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
>> flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
>> ready yet...)
>>
>> Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
>>>  in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
>>> would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
>>> claims have insinuated.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a Nigerian, you are not.
>>>
>>>
>> Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
>> $~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
>> by Lagos Island, I know it well)
>>
>>    http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
>>
>> Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much
>> myself but there are in fact options in every price range.
>>
>> Staying a  standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
>> not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
>> like me.
>>
>> Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
>> let me try it.
>>
>> It may sound crazy but that how it is.
>>
>>
>> Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
>>>
>>>
>> Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
>> resourceful than most imagine.
>>
>> Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
>>
>>
>> As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION
>>> with respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point
>>> where:
>>>
>>> 1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
>>> policies).
>>>
>>> If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with  $500-600. Just that it
>>> will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet
>>> plan. Half is better than none.
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
>> had this opportunity!
>>
>>
>>> 2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens
>>> if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's
>>> visa application.  (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-
>>> $500 ?)
>>>
>>>
>> The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.
>>
>> Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to
>> give me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion
>> is purely for reimbursement.
>>
>> You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to
>> prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support
>> with the scratch community. Then get reimbursed if i am successful.
>>
>>
>> Onwards & Upwards ~
>>
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