[Sugar-devel] Kartik - internship outside GSoC

Thu May 28 06:18:51 EDT 2009

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 14:18, kartik rustagi <kashes911 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
> Sorry for replying after this long a duration. Exams followed by physical
> damage to my machine consumed a lot of time.
> I will like to start my internship under Sugarlabs ASAP. Can any one please
> provide me a link to all the ideas that were discussed at the recent Sugar
> meetup (in Paris I guess) and the results of those discussions if possible.
> I will have a look at those ideas and will like to finalize the one I will
> be working on as soon as possible (in a day or two maximum). The idea
> regarding sharing of activities is also in the loop.

Hi, Kartik,

see http://erikos.sweettimez.de/?p=678

We are still discussing all this and trying to put names to each task,
but those are some ideas of what we would like to work on during this
release.

I would like to propose you one task that will bring enormous value
and that I think could fit well with your previous experience:

<quote>
Groups

    * tagging buddies to build up relations, tagging can happen by a
teacher tagging a class or the learner can tag himself
</quote>

We have a problem with schools that have thousands of children logged
in their jabber server, as we have very limited functionality for
searching and browsing contacts. This impacts the usability of
collaboration in the classroom.

I think that the presence service is already sending a "tags" property
along the rest of the presence information. I think that we should
have a way for a person to set its own tags, and also for adding tags
to its contacts.

Does this feature interest you?

Regards,

Tomeu

> Thank You
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:20 AM, David Farning <dfarning at sugarlabs.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Kartik,
>> That all looks pretty straightforward.  When you get the project
>> worked out Jameson can sign as training officer.  It looks like the
>> third page should be sent by Jameson directly to your school.
>>
>> thanks
>> david
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:25 AM, kartik rustagi <kashes911 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Please find the scanned structure of the documents which are required as
>> > a
>> > proof of Internship at my school. It will be best if the documents are
>> > mailed directly to me since that will be the most reliable.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:50 AM, kartik rustagi <kashes911 at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> My own, completely personal opinion on dissimilar activity
>> >>> collaboration
>> >>> is that it is a solution searching for a problem. I understand that
>> >>> there
>> >>> are real use cases, but I haven't seen one that's nearly as compelling
>> >>> as
>> >>> the viral-activity idea (idea 2 of the ones I sent). This is just me
>> >>> commenting, I hope that others with opposing viewpoints will also
>> >>> comment.
>> >>
>> >> If that is indeed the case then I will go with viral-activity idea. Any
>> >> idea who put up the dissimilar activity collaboration idea on the idea
>> >> list.
>> >> Maybe he/she might have a different outlook towards it. Suggestions on
>> >> this
>> >> are requested :)
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> As to Groupthink, I think that it would be ill-advised to try to force
>> >>> you and Bemasc to work together without a very clear delineation of
>> >>> responsibility which minimizes dependencies. I also think it would be
>> >>> very
>> >>> hard to draw such a line, though you're welcome to prove me wrong on
>> >>> this
>> >>> latter point.
>> >>
>> >> I completely agree with you. The reason why I mentioned Groupthink was
>> >> because I seriously appreciated it and wanted to do something like this
>> >> for
>> >> Sugar (according to my capabilities).
>> >> Few more suggestions on the project idea and then I will start making
>> >> the
>> >> proposal.
>> >>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Jameson Quinn
>> >>>> <jameson.quinn at gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> > I hope we can do this for you, and would be really happy if it
>> >>>> > comes
>> >>>> > through. However, as much as it pains me, I think you will have to
>> >>>> > go
>> >>>> > through some of the application process over again. We don't need
>> >>>> > to
>> >>>> > interview you again, once is plenty and you did well. But we do
>> >>>> > need a
>> >>>> > specific proposal, with clear deliverables - which could easily
>> >>>> > take a
>> >>>> > week
>> >>>> > or more for you to create - and then at least a few days for us to
>> >>>> > evaluate
>> >>>> > the merits of such a proposal and our ability to support it.
>> >>>> > Otherwise, how
>> >>>> > can we meaningfully evaluate whether you've "completed" your
>> >>>> > internship?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I suspect that we'd be ready to accommodate whatever reasonable
>> >>>> > calendar you
>> >>>> > set up for those steps.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Jameson
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > 2009/4/26 kartik rustagi <kashes911 at gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Hi David,
>> >>>> >> I talked to few of my seniors and the Training and Placement Cell
>> >>>> >> at
>> >>>> >> my school and they told me that the only official letter I will be
>> >>>> >> needing are:
>> >>>> >> 1) 'Joining Letter' which will state the date I will be starting
>> >>>> >> my
>> >>>> >> internship and my supervisor (mentor) at the organization. This
>> >>>> >> letter
>> >>>> >> should preferably on the letter head of the organization or should
>> >>>> >> have some other kind of authentication.
>> >>>> >> 2)  And at the end of training I will need a completion
>> >>>> >> certificate.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> I will scan and mail you the format of these documents, that will
>> >>>> >> be
>> >>>> >> more convenient. The official period of the internship will start
>> >>>> >> from
>> >>>> >> the last week of May after the university exams (going on right
>> >>>> >> now).
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Delhi College of Engineering : www.dce.ac.in, www.dce.edu
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Regards
>> >>>> >> Kartik Rustagi
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:28 AM, David Farning
>> >>>> >> <dfarning at sugarlabs.org>
>> >>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>> >> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Jameson Quinn
>> >>>> >> > <jameson.quinn at gmail.com>
>> >>>> >> > wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> Kartik,
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> I think we can definitely find a useful way for you to
>> >>>> >> >> contribute
>> >>>> >> >> and
>> >>>> >> >> fulfill your internship requirements. You should write more
>> >>>> >> >> about
>> >>>> >> >> what
>> >>>> >> >> kind
>> >>>> >> >> of project would interest you; the suggestions below focus more
>> >>>> >> >> on
>> >>>> >> >> communications, because that's what I know as your expertise,
>> >>>> >> >> but
>> >>>> >> >> if
>> >>>> >> >> you are
>> >>>> >> >> interested in UI, security, graphics, or something else, there
>> >>>> >> >> are
>> >>>> >> >> probably
>> >>>> >> >> other ideas for you.
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> I'm not really the person to talk to about communications. I
>> >>>> >> >> was
>> >>>> >> >> talking
>> >>>> >> >> with bemasc (benjamin schwartz, copied on this email) and we
>> >>>> >> >> had
>> >>>> >> >> two
>> >>>> >> >> ideas:
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> Some way of completing your original project idea without
>> >>>> >> >> involving
>> >>>> >> >> Collabora/Telepathy too much. For instance, Bemasc mentioned
>> >>>> >> >> Webdav,
>> >>>> >> >> but
>> >>>> >> >> said "The problem is that it has no (standardized or otherwise)
>> >>>> >> >> connection
>> >>>> >> >> to XMPP, so Collabora isn't much interested in shoving it into
>> >>>> >> >> Salut in
>> >>>> >> >> some
>> >>>> >> >> ad-hoc way.... So it would have to live outside of Salut, but
>> >>>> >> >> still ask
>> >>>> >> >> Salut for the IP address associated with a given contact,
>> >>>> >> >> etc....
>> >>>> >> >> Maybe
>> >>>> >> >> it
>> >>>> >> >> could get its own Telepathy connection manager, but now this is
>> >>>> >> >> really
>> >>>> >> >> getting out of control." In other words, you'd have to have
>> >>>> >> >> some
>> >>>> >> >> serious
>> >>>> >> >> conversations with him to redesign how this would work.
>> >>>> >> >> One part of the original sugar design that has never been
>> >>>> >> >> realized
>> >>>> >> >> is
>> >>>> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> ability to share in activities without previously installing
>> >>>> >> >> them
>> >>>> >> >> on
>> >>>> >> >> your
>> >>>> >> >> machine. That would mean that whenever you joined a shared
>> >>>> >> >> activity,
>> >>>> >> >> your
>> >>>> >> >> copy of sugar would automatically download, install, and run a
>> >>>> >> >> copy of
>> >>>> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> host's version of the activity. It would require having a way
>> >>>> >> >> to
>> >>>> >> >> hash
>> >>>> >> >> activities; the ability to have more than one version of the
>> >>>> >> >> same
>> >>>> >> >> activity
>> >>>> >> >> simultaneously installed and running; some policy for garbage
>> >>>> >> >> collecting old
>> >>>> >> >> installed activity versions; and teaching Sugar to
>> >>>> >> >> appropriately
>> >>>> >> >> use
>> >>>> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> existing file transfer mechanisms in telepathy. I suspect that
>> >>>> >> >> this
>> >>>> >> >> project
>> >>>> >> >> would be more under your own control than your original
>> >>>> >> >> proposal,
>> >>>> >> >> and I
>> >>>> >> >> think that the time is ripe for Sugar to grow this
>> >>>> >> >> functionality.
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> As to the paperwork for your internship requirements at your
>> >>>> >> >> school,
>> >>>> >> >> Walter
>> >>>> >> >> Bender (also copied on this mail) has said he could probably
>> >>>> >> >> help
>> >>>> >> >> you
>> >>>> >> >> with
>> >>>> >> >> that. Talk to him.
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > Kartik,
>> >>>> >> > Do you have a contact at your school for handling the internship
>> >>>> >> > requirements?  If so, please have him contact us so we can
>> >>>> >> > insure
>> >>>> >> > that
>> >>>> >> > the paper work is set up for you.
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > thanks
>> >>>> >> > david
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> Hope this helps, and good luck!
>> >>>> >> >> Jameson
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:46 AM, kartik rustagi
>> >>>> >> >> <kashes911 at gmail.com>
>> >>>> >> >> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> Hi Jameson,
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> Sorry for the late reply, I was out of station. First of all
>> >>>> >> >>> thanks a
>> >>>> >> >>> lot for showing this gesture towards me, it really meant a
>> >>>> >> >>> lot.
>> >>>> >> >>> It
>> >>>> >> >>> would have been had I got through Gsoc but none the less my
>> >>>> >> >>>  passion
>> >>>> >> >>> towards contributing to Sugar and open source in general still
>> >>>> >> >>> remains. Yes resume building was one of the reason for me to
>> >>>> >> >>> apply for
>> >>>> >> >>> Gsoc, but along with that it would have served as an
>> >>>> >> >>> internship
>> >>>> >> >>> that
>> >>>> >> >>> we must do in the coming months of June and July. I will have
>> >>>> >> >>> to
>> >>>> >> >>> talk
>> >>>> >> >>> to college authority whether working for Sugar will do the job
>> >>>> >> >>> or
>> >>>> >> >>> not.
>> >>>> >> >>> In the mean time can you please let me know the projects that
>> >>>> >> >>> have
>> >>>> >> >>> recently started or are yet to start and where I can fit in.
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> --
>> >>>> >> >>> Regards
>> >>>> >> >>> Kartik Rustagi
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >>>> >> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> --
>> >>>> >> Regards
>> >>>> >> Kartik Rustagi
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Regards
>> >>>> Kartik Rustagi
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Regards
>> >> Kartik Rustagi
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards
>> > Kartik Rustagi
>> >
>
>
>
> --
> Regards
> Kartik Rustagi
>
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