<div dir="ltr">Perhaps this (finding a new IRC web client) can be a GCI task: to research the best options.<div> </div><div>-walter</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 1:27 AM, James Cameron <<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">G'day Bernie, I agree, Mailman3 would be a useful upgrade. I'm sorry, I can't suggest any mobile friendly web IRC clients, but I've heard from others they do exist, just a matter of selecting one. Cross-linking IRC and Slack via Matrix seems all the rage on the conference circuit, but that seems mostly a way to avoid having to change clients. ;-) <div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 09:09:08PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > Thankyou James for the summary and thankyou Sam for the quick response. > > As for Slack: I think it's used only by Samuel to mentor some new sysadmins. I have to admit I'm rarely on IRC these days due to lack of a good Android client, but I'd also recommend against adding new public communication channels for the project. > > Would someone volunteer to update <a href="http://chat.sugarlabs.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">chat.sugarlabs.org</a>? Perhaps see if there are web IRC clients that are more mobile friendly than qwebirc? > > And Mailman3 with Hyperkitty would also be a big help for non-technical users (forum like interface for posting to lists). > > > On September 29, 2017 6:36:19 PM EDT, Sam Parkinson <sam@sam.today> wrote: > >Thanks for replying James. Your pretty spot - that is a pretty good > >summary of the thing. > >I didn't get the email alerting about the 1-click upgrade. I'm > >clicking to apply it now. > >I've granted admin to quozl. If any sysadmin would like admin on the > >service, please send your username and I can add you via the web > >interface. If you admin, I think that will let you do 1 click > >upgrades. > >Sorry for dropping the ball on this one. > >On Sat, 2017-09-30 at 06:46 +1000, James Cameron wrote: > >> G'day Bernie, > >> > >> No, and no. > >> > >> Thanks for raising this. It is a risk to have a public service > >> unmaintained, as it can lead to it being exploited. > >> > >> Discourse is integrated with Sugar through the Social Help feature > >> [0], using the alt-shift-h shortcut or the frame icon. The feature > >> was added [1, 2] in GSoC 2014 and merged in May 2015 for Sugar 0.106, > >> with some good fixes since. > >> > >> Social Help is an underutilised feature. Rate of new posts is > >> minimal, at about two per year, and I think I'm the only person > >> responding [3]. > >> > >> Despite designed technical advantages [1] Social Help has not had the > >> popularity or numerical success of Sugar Network, and with the > >> board's > >> decision [4] to remediate Sugar Network my guess is that the Social > >> Help feature could be removed from Sugar. > >> > >> My guesses for why Social Help has not been used are; > >> > >> (a) the feature is undiscoverable, > >> > >> (b) deployments have set up their own forums, > >> > >> (c) independent users of Sugar 0.106 and later are minimal, > >> > >> (d) failed to gain critical mass. > >> > >> To answer your questions; > >> > >> 1. I'm not handling updates to Discourse; I've no access keys and > >> don't know how to do it [5]. Sam Parkinson was handling updates at > >> one stage. > >> > >> 2. I'm not using it for project communications, and I've asked those > >> who try that to use mailing lists [6]. > >> > >> You mention Slack. I don't believe we have Slack. Slack isn't > >> referenced in the Wiki, and hasn't been mentioned on mailing lists. > >> If Slack is being used, it is a private group, and the knowledge > >> hasn't been widely distributed yet. Please do that? > >> > >> We do have too many project communication options for the size of the > >> project at the moment. I'd like to see some options close. > >> > >> +CC sugar-devel@ and iaep@ since I've raised several issues that may > >> benefit from wider discussion. ;-) > >> > >> References: > >> > >> 0. <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Social_Help" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Social_Help</a> > >> 1. <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/AnaBalica/Socia" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/AnaBalica/Socia</a> > >> l_Help#Comparison_between_Discourse_and_Sugar_Network > >> 2. <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/Prasoon2211/Soc" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/Prasoon2211/Soc</a> > >> ial_Help > >> 3. <a href="https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/</a> > >> 4. <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-04-2" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-04-2</a> > >> 1_2 > >> 5. <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Social_Help#Todo" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Social_Help#Todo</a> > >> 6. <a href="https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/t/sugar-collaboration-xsce-iiab-" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/t/sugar-collaboration-xsce-iiab-</a> > >> xmpp-jabber-ejabberd/226/5 > >> > >> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 01:31:46PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > >> > Is anyone handling updates for discourse? > >> > > >> > Is it being used for project communication? I ask because we also > >> > have > >> > IRC, Slack and mailing lists. > >> > > >> > On 29/09/17 07:57, <a href="mailto:socialhelp@sugarlabs.org">socialhelp@sugarlabs.org</a> wrote: > >> > > Hooray, a new version of Discourse <<a href="http://www.discourse.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.discourse.org</a>> is > >> > > available! > >> > > > >> > > Your version: 1.6.8 > >> > > New version: *1.8.8* > >> > > > >> > > * > >> > > > >> > > Upgrade using our easy *one-click browser upgrade [...] > >> > > > >> > > * > >> > > > >> > > See what's new in the GitHub changelog > >> > > <<a href="https://github.com/discourse/discourse/commits/master" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/discourse/discourse/commits/master</a>> > >> > > > >> > > * > >> > > > >> > > Visit <a href="http://meta.discourse.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">meta.discourse.org</a> <<a href="https://meta.discourse.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://meta.discourse.org</a>> for > >> > > news, > >> > > discussion, and support for Discourse > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Systems mailing list > >> > > <a href="mailto:Systems@lists.sugarlabs.org">Systems@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > >> > > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/systems" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/systems</a> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > _ // Bernie Innocenti > >> > \X/ <a href="http://codewiz.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://codewiz.org</a> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Systems mailing list > >> > <a href="mailto:Systems@lists.sugarlabs.org">Systems@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > >> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/systems" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/systems</a> > > -- > ベルニー > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. </div></div>-- James Cameron <a href="http://quozl.netrek.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://quozl.netrek.org/</a> <div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">_______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> </div></div></blockquote></div> <div> </div>-- <div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Walter Bender Sugar Labs</div><div><a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"></a> </div></div></div> </div>