<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 11:14 PM, James Cameron <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 10:56:01PM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote:<br> ><br> > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 10:48 PM, Laura Vargas <[1]<a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org">laura@somosazucar.org</a>><br> > wrote:<br> ><br> > 2017-09-18 16:37 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <[2]<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com">samsongoddy@gmail.com</a>>:<br> ><br> > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 10:04 PM, James Cameron <[3]<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org">quozl@laptop.org</a>><br> <span class="">> wrote:<br> ><br> > Two items.<br> ><br> > 1. members@ alias<br> ><br> > It is wrong to leave unchanged the sunjammer:/etc/aliases members@<br> > entry, thus listing only the old committee.<br> ><br> > Please update the alias to list the new committee.<br> ><br> > $ ssh sunjammer grep members /etc/aliases<br> > elections: members<br> </span>> members: samsongoddy, [4]<a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org">laura@somosazucar.org</a>, ignacio<br> <span class="">><br> > thanks for pointing that out. <br> ><br> > Samson,<br> ><br> > Can you get in charge of this action please?<br> ><br> > I believe i don't have access to sunjammer. <br> <br> </span>Correct. You are not in sunjammer /etc/group and nor is ignacio.<br> <br> Instead, you have to ask systems@ in a clear simple post with one<br> topic.<br> <br> A reminder that the committee is at the same time jointly and severally<br> responsible for these actions. While members of the committee can ask<br> other members to take an action, that does not absolve the committee<br> members from responsibility to follow up the action.<br> <span class=""><br> > 2. candidates' submissions<br> ><br> > Adam Holt's submission was truncated, without public consultation<br> > with<br> > Adam and without asking Adam to edit.<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > Adam was properly informed:<br> <br> </span>Thanks, I see now it was private mail.<br> <span class=""><br> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br> > From: Laura Vargas <[5]<a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org">laura@somosazucar.org</a>><br> > Date: 2017-09-16 0:20 GMT-05:00<br> > Subject: Thank you for participating as a candidate<br> </span><span class="">> To: Adam Holt <[6]<a href="mailto:holt@laptop.org">holt@laptop.org</a>>, Adam Holt <[7]<a href="mailto:holt@unleashkids.org">holt@unleashkids.org</a>>,<br> > Adam Holt <[8]<a href="mailto:aholt888@gmail.com">aholt888@gmail.com</a>>, Adam Holt <[9]<a href="mailto:canoe.berry@yahoo.com">canoe.berry@yahoo.com</a>><br> > Cc: sugar labs <[10]<a href="mailto:members@sugarlabs.org">members@sugarlabs.org</a>><br> ><br> > Adam,<br> ><br> > Thank you for participating as a candidate. Please note there is a 1500<br> > character's limit for each candidate's entry at the wiki.<br> ><br> > Yes, but where did we discussed limiting characters? that is where my concern<br> > comes in. I never agreed or see any mail from you about addressing<br> > characters. <br> <br> </span>Samson, you haven't read the explanation.<br> <br> Open<br> <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Oversight_Board/2017-2019-candidates" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/<wbr>Talk:Oversight_Board/2017-<wbr>2019-candidates</a><br> and read it carefully, thanks. It explains how Laura made the<br> decision; she posted a message and there was passive implicit assent.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I read it, like i said the committee did not approve anything limit. it was laura's idea and shouldn't be forced on any candidates. It wasn't a problems last election i don't see why it should now.</div><div><br></div><div>1500 character is not approve. Candidates who wishing to edit and express themselves should. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <span class=""><br> > Your entry had 2009 characters so it has been edited to comply the<br> > elections requirement.<br> ><br> > This is not a requirement from the committee, maybe yours not not us. So this<br> > line of statement is unrecognized. <br> <br> </span>A failure to build consensus; this is a breach of trust within a<br> committee, and the way forward is to;<br> <br> 1. meet or communicate,<br> <br> 2. make assent active and explicit, rather than passive or implicit.<br> <br> 3. number and publish the committee decisions.<br> <br> On point 2, making assent active, my advice to Ignacio, Ibiam, Hrishi<br> and Pericherla is to speak up with your assent or dissent.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>+1 here. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br> Silence is not assent.<br> <span class=""><br> > You will be able to re-edit your entry.<br> > ------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<br> > -------------------<br> ><br> > Samson,<br> ><br> > You replied to me in Adam's email. I assumed you had read it.<br> ><br> > I wanted you to give me a reason why it was enforced on, without agreeing. <br> <br> </span>Samson, can you confirm you received the mail sent to Adam? I'm<br> worried that the sunjammer alias is to your <a href="http://sugarlabs.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">sugarlabs.org</a> mail<br> address, and perhaps it should be to your <a href="http://gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">gmail.com</a> address.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Any i still don't have access to my @<a href="http://sugarlabs.org">sugarlabs.org</a> mail, what went wrong, is it because i don't use my access to sunjammer?</div><div><br></div><div>@james @samuel @sebastain @bernie please confirm, what should i do? </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br> --<br> James Cameron<br> <a href="http://quozl.netrek.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://quozl.netrek.org/</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>