[Systems] [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Social Help [was Re: New Discourse version, update available]

[Walter Bender]

Perhaps this (finding a new IRC web client) can be a GCI task: to research
the best options.

-walter

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 1:27 AM, James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:

> G'day Bernie,
>
> I agree, Mailman3 would be a useful upgrade.
>
> I'm sorry, I can't suggest any mobile friendly web IRC clients, but
> I've heard from others they do exist, just a matter of selecting one.
>
> Cross-linking IRC and Slack via Matrix seems all the rage on the
> conference circuit, but that seems mostly a way to avoid having to
> change clients.  ;-)
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 09:09:08PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
> > Thankyou James for the summary and thankyou Sam for the quick response.
> >
> > As for Slack: I think it's used only by Samuel to mentor some new
> sysadmins. I have to admit I'm rarely on IRC these days due to lack of a
> good Android client, but I'd also recommend against adding new public
> communication channels for the project.
> >
> > Would someone volunteer to update chat.sugarlabs.org? Perhaps see if
> there are web IRC clients that are more mobile friendly than qwebirc?
> >
> > And Mailman3 with Hyperkitty would also be a big help for non-technical
> users (forum like interface for posting to lists).
> >
> >
> > On September 29, 2017 6:36:19 PM EDT, Sam Parkinson <sam at sam.today>
> wrote:
> > >Thanks for replying James.  Your pretty spot - that is a pretty good
> > >summary of the thing.
> > >I didn't get the email alerting about the 1-click upgrade.  I'm
> > >clicking to apply it now.
> > >I've granted admin to quozl.  If any sysadmin would like admin on the
> > >service, please send your username and I can add you via the web
> > >interface.  If you admin, I think that will let you do 1 click
> > >upgrades.
> > >Sorry for dropping the ball on this one.
> > >On Sat, 2017-09-30 at 06:46 +1000, James Cameron wrote:
> > >> G'day Bernie,
> > >>
> > >> No, and no.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for raising this.  It is a risk to have a public service
> > >> unmaintained, as it can lead to it being exploited.
> > >>
> > >> Discourse is integrated with Sugar through the Social Help feature
> > >> [0], using the alt-shift-h shortcut or the frame icon.  The feature
> > >> was added [1, 2] in GSoC 2014 and merged in May 2015 for Sugar 0.106,
> > >> with some good fixes since.
> > >>
> > >> Social Help is an underutilised feature.  Rate of new posts is
> > >> minimal, at about two per year, and I think I'm the only person
> > >> responding [3].
> > >>
> > >> Despite designed technical advantages [1] Social Help has not had the
> > >> popularity or numerical success of Sugar Network, and with the
> > >> board's
> > >> decision [4] to remediate Sugar Network my guess is that the Social
> > >> Help feature could be removed from Sugar.
> > >>
> > >> My guesses for why Social Help has not been used are;
> > >>
> > >> (a) the feature is undiscoverable,
> > >>
> > >> (b) deployments have set up their own forums,
> > >>
> > >> (c) independent users of Sugar 0.106 and later are minimal,
> > >>
> > >> (d) failed to gain critical mass.
> > >>
> > >> To answer your questions;
> > >>
> > >> 1.  I'm not handling updates to Discourse; I've no access keys and
> > >> don't know how to do it [5].  Sam Parkinson was handling updates at
> > >> one stage.
> > >>
> > >> 2.  I'm not using it for project communications, and I've asked those
> > >> who try that to use mailing lists [6].
> > >>
> > >> You mention Slack.  I don't believe we have Slack.  Slack isn't
> > >> referenced in the Wiki, and hasn't been mentioned on mailing lists.
> > >> If Slack is being used, it is a private group, and the knowledge
> > >> hasn't been widely distributed yet.  Please do that?
> > >>
> > >> We do have too many project communication options for the size of the
> > >> project at the moment.  I'd like to see some options close.
> > >>
> > >> +CC sugar-devel@ and iaep@ since I've raised several issues that may
> > >> benefit from wider discussion.  ;-)
> > >>
> > >> References:
> > >>
> > >> 0.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Social_Help
> > >> 1.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/AnaBalica/Socia
> > >> l_Help#Comparison_between_Discourse_and_Sugar_Network
> > >> 2.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2014/Prasoon2211/Soc
> > >> ial_Help
> > >> 3.  https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> 4.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-04-2
> > >> 1_2
> > >> 5.  https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Social_Help#Todo
> > >> 6.  https://socialhelp.sugarlabs.org/t/sugar-collaboration-xsce-iiab-
> > >> xmpp-jabber-ejabberd/226/5
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 01:31:46PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
> > >> > Is anyone handling updates for discourse?
> > >> >
> > >> > Is it being used for project communication? I ask because we also
> > >> > have
> > >> > IRC, Slack and mailing lists.
> > >> >
> > >> > On 29/09/17 07:57, socialhelp at sugarlabs.org wrote:
> > >> > > Hooray, a new version of Discourse <http://www.discourse.org> is
> > >> > > available!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Your version: 1.6.8
> > >> > > New version: *1.8.8*
> > >> > >
> > >> > >   *
> > >> > >
> > >> > >     Upgrade using our easy *one-click browser upgrade [...]
> > >> > >
> > >> > >   *
> > >> > >
> > >> > >     See what's new in the GitHub changelog
> > >> > >     <https://github.com/discourse/discourse/commits/master>
> > >> > >
> > >> > >   *
> > >> > >
> > >> > >     Visit meta.discourse.org <https://meta.discourse.org> for
> > >> > > news,
> > >> > >     discussion, and support for Discourse
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
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> > >> >
> > >> > --
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