[Systems] Sugar Labs Oversight Board Election Candidates 2017-2019 - Stage III Closed

[James Cameron]

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 11:22:27PM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 11:14 PM, James Cameron <[1]quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
> 
>     On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 10:56:01PM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote:
>     >
>     > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 10:48 PM, Laura Vargas <[1][2]
>     laura at somosazucar.org>
>     > wrote:
>     >
>     >     2017-09-18 16:37 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <[2][3]samsongoddy at gmail.com
>     >:
>     >
>     >         On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 10:04 PM, James Cameron <[3][4]
>     quozl at laptop.org>
>     >         wrote:
>     >
>     >             Two items.
>     >
>     >             1.  members@ alias
>     >
>     >             It is wrong to leave unchanged the sunjammer:/etc/aliases
>     members@
>     >             entry, thus listing only the old committee.
>     >
>     >             Please update the alias to list the new committee.
>     >
>     >             $ ssh sunjammer grep members /etc/aliases
>     >             elections:      members
>     >             members:        samsongoddy, [4][5]laura at somosazucar.org,
>     ignacio
>     >
>     >         thanks for pointing that out. 
>     >
>     >     Samson,
>     >
>     >     Can you get in charge of this action please?
>     >
>     > I believe i don't have access to sunjammer. 
> 
>     Correct.  You are not in sunjammer /etc/group and nor is ignacio.
> 
>     Instead, you have to ask systems@ in a clear simple post with one
>     topic.
> 
>     A reminder that the committee is at the same time jointly and severally
>     responsible for these actions.  While members of the committee can ask
>     other members to take an action, that does not absolve the committee
>     members from responsibility to follow up the action.
>    
>     >             2.  candidates' submissions
>     >
>     >             Adam Holt's submission was truncated, without public
>     consultation
>     >             with
>     >             Adam and without asking Adam to edit.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     Adam was properly informed:
> 
>     Thanks, I see now it was private mail.
>    
>     >     ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>     >     From: Laura Vargas <[5][6]laura at somosazucar.org>
>     >     Date: 2017-09-16 0:20 GMT-05:00
>     >     Subject: Thank you for participating as a candidate
>     >     To: Adam Holt <[6][7]holt at laptop.org>, Adam Holt <[7][8]
>     holt at unleashkids.org>,
>     >     Adam Holt <[8][9]aholt888 at gmail.com>, Adam Holt <[9][10]
>     canoe.berry at yahoo.com>
>     >     Cc: sugar labs <[10][11]members at sugarlabs.org>
>     >
>     >     Adam,
>     >
>     >     Thank you for participating as a candidate. Please note there is a
>     1500
>     >     character's limit for each candidate's entry at the wiki.
>     >
>     > Yes, but where did we discussed limiting characters? that is where my
>     concern
>     > comes in. I never agreed or see any mail from you about addressing
>     > characters. 
> 
>     Samson, you haven't read the explanation.
> 
>     Open
>     [12]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Oversight_Board/2017-2019-candidates
>     and read it carefully, thanks.  It explains how Laura made the
>     decision; she posted a message and there was passive implicit assent.
> 
> I read it, like i said the committee did not approve anything limit. it was
> laura's idea and shouldn't be forced on any candidates. It wasn't a problems
> last election i don't see why it should now.
> 
> 1500 character is not approve. Candidates who wishing to edit and express
> themselves should. 
> 
>    
>     >     Your entry had 2009 characters so it has been edited to comply the
>     >     elections requirement.
>     >
>     > This is not a requirement from the committee, maybe yours not not us. So
>     this
>     > line of statement is unrecognized.   
> 
>     A failure to build consensus; this is a breach of trust within a
>     committee, and the way forward is to;
> 
>     1.  meet or communicate,
> 
>     2.  make assent active and explicit, rather than passive or implicit.
> 
>     3.  number and publish the committee decisions.
> 
>     On point 2, making assent active, my advice to Ignacio, Ibiam, Hrishi
>     and Pericherla is to speak up with your assent or dissent.
> 
> +1 here. 
> 
>     Silence is not assent.
>    
>     >     You will be able to re-edit your entry.
>     >     ------------------------------------------------------------
>     >     -------------------
>     >
>     >     Samson,
>     >
>     >     You replied to me in Adam's email. I assumed you had read it.
>     >
>     > I wanted you to give me a reason why it was enforced on, without
>     agreeing. 
> 
>     Samson, can you confirm you received the mail sent to Adam?  I'm
>     worried that the sunjammer alias is to your [13]sugarlabs.org mail
>     address, and perhaps it should be to your [14]gmail.com address.
> 
> Any i still don't have access to my @[15]sugarlabs.org mail, what went wrong,
> is it because i don't use my access to sunjammer?

I've no idea.  With my limited access to sunjammer I've been unable to
find what is wrong.  You did change your password as Samuel Cantero
asked.

> @james @samuel @sebastain @bernie please confirm, what should i do? 

Make a new post to systems@ and describe the problem simply ... it is
unlikely that the people who can fix it are reading deep into this
thread.

-- 
James Cameron
http://quozl.netrek.org/