[Systems] [IAEP] laptop.org listservers dead?

[Sebastian Silva]

Hi Adam,
I am truly sorry that you feel insulted. I was merely stating that I 
usually don't understand half of what you write because of your 
colorful metaphores. Even though my english is pretty good, you usually 
choose words and cultural references which are alien to me. Perhaps I 
should have stated this more carefully, in a different thread, or 
something. I am sorry that I made you feel bad, and I appreciate your 
efforts over the years.

On the aparently sensitive topic of community vs. 
olpc-who-ever-they-are-these-days, I frankly don't care about the 
second party. They have no obligation or responsibility to the wider 
"Free Software in Education" latin american community, to call it 
something, and we have an obligation to self-organize or we will be 
doomed to dependency from well meaning but sometimes unempowered people 
/ volunteers.

Sugar Labs offers a brittle equilibrium as a middle ground which has 
sufficient hosting resources at least for sustaining the development of 
a common platform for education. That at least is my hope, for the time 
being, hosting is pretty good.

Sugar-Sur is long due anyway. On the other hand here is a legitimate 
concern from the mantainer of a current Sugar list: SomosAzucar.

SomosAzucar is currently the mark we use as a R&D team composed by 
members of Sugar Labs Perú. It is also the name of the sugarlabs peru 
mailing list and this lends itself for confusion. We would like this 
list to have more discussion about all things Sugar, but the name 
suggests it is only there to discuss SomosAzucar Team's projects, and 
this is unfortunate. On the other hand, Sugar people from other 
Latinamerican countries have no forum to discuss Sugar except 
Sugar-Desarrollo which obviously alienates teachers and other 
non-developers.

IAEP suppossedly is bilingual but this in practice alienates spanish 
only speakers.

If "Es Un Proyecto Educativo" is true and alive, it would be in the 
best interest of the Peru community and the SomosAzucar team to 
relinquish maintenance of this list and offer our current body of 
subscribers as a seed for "Sugar-Sur: Es un Proyecto Educativo" - a new 
list unrelated to previous mecenas or well meaning hardware vendors.

Do you think this is a good compromise?
(in cc: Laura, other somosazucar@ mantainer)
--
Sebastian Silva
"icarito" #sugar #somosazucar (freenode IRC)
Somos Azúcar - Fuente Libre - Sugar Labs

"Las maestras y los maestros democráticos intervenimos en el mundo a 
través del cultivo de la curiosidad" - P.Freire

El mié, 17 de dic 2014 a las 12:40 PM, Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org> 
escribió:
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Sebastian Silva 
> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I only got a private email from Adam about this, but frankly I never 
>> understand what he means.
> 
> No idea what I did wrong to offend you Sebastien.  If I knew I would 
> certainly not have.
> 
> I am volunteer organizing several critical communities being "held 
> hostage" within lists.laptop.org and I like several others unpaid and 
> unconnected have been trying hard for over 4 weeks now to protect 
> olpc-sur and other such archives, subscriber lists, etc there -- one 
> way or another to permanently safeguard these vital efforts.
> 
> We've been told twice over the past two weeks by James Cameron that 
> there is progress here by Reuben Caron, and I hope that is true.
> 
> Impatience is very understandable after 4 weeks for sure -- personal 
> insults however, will quickly marginalize all of our efforts 
> establishing clean infra empowering others.
> 
> 
>> In any case, this needs to be addressed. We need to stay in touch 
>> with our peers, and we can not depend on OLPC [inc, foundation, 
>> assoc, religionwhatever it's called these days].
>> 
>> Does anyone care anymore? I can probably get a users list from 
>> either my email archives or a prior Sur admin.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sebastian
>> --
>> Sebastian Silva
>> "icarito" #sugar #somosazucar (freenode IRC)
>> Somos Azúcar - Fuente Libre - Sugar Labs
>> 
>> "Las maestras y los maestros democráticos intervenimos en el mundo 
>> a través del cultivo de la curiosidad" - P.Freire
>> 
>> El mar, 16 de dic 2014 a las 1:12 PM, Sebastian Silva 
>> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> escribió:
>> 
>>> I propose that we mirror olpc-sur list as it is vital for any Sugar 
>>> Labs undertaking in Latinamerica.
>>> 
>>> I defer to you as to how to go about it without as smoothly as 
>>> possible.
>>> 
>>> We would need a backup of the subscriber's list and perhaps some 
>>> kind of permission?
>>> 
>>> Please help.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sebastian
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Sebastian Silva
>>> "icarito" #sugar #somosazucar (freenode IRC)
>>> Somos Azúcar - Fuente Libre - Sugar Labs
>>> 
>>> "Las maestras y los maestros democráticos intervenimos en el mundo 
>>> a través del cultivo de la curiosidad" - P.Freire
>>> 
>>> El lun, 15 de dic 2014 a las 12:15 PM, Adam Holt <holt at laptop.org> 
>>> escribió:
>>>> Reuben Caron working on it.  Supported by Martin Langhoff, Paul 
>>>> Fox, James Cameron.  Pray archives+all come back together soon!
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Sebastian Silva 
>>>> <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> At first I thought it was a transient problem, but half our 
>>>>> community is silent because it seems lists.laptop.org server is 
>>>>> dead.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyone know if it's coming back? Anyone has a backup of olpc-sur 
>>>>> user list?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sebastian Silva
>>>>> "icarito" #sugar #somosazucar (freenode IRC)
>>>>> Somos Azúcar - Fuente Libre - Sugar Labs
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Las maestras y los maestros democráticos intervenimos en el 
>>>>> mundo a través del cultivo de la curiosidad" - P.Freire
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!)
>>>>> IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ http://unleashkids.org !
>> 
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