[Systems] [haakon.eriksen at far.no: Fram - a suggestion for bringing kids to Sugar-programming]

[Haakon Meland Eriksen]

Lørdag 25. juni 2011 00.38.37 skrev Aleksey Lim :
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> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:46:59PM +0200, Haakon Meland Eriksen wrote:
> > Hello everyone!
> > 
> > If you decide to use Fram, which we use in GNU Telephony, you need to
> > know that syntax high-lighting is provided by the excellent
> > SyntaxHighlight_Geshi extension, and that the <source> tag is deprecated
> > in favour for <syntaxhighlight>. XML uses <source> sometimes, so this
> > avoids conflicts.
> > 
> > The second thing you need to know, is that Fram works well, but it is
> > missing some important features. These are planned, and if you are a PHP
> > developer with some spare time it shouldn't be difficult to complete.
> > This is outlined at
> > 
> > http://far.no/fram/fram2.php
> > 
> > Teachers and kids need to know that the code blocks must be in order to
> > concatenate correctly - this is one of the short comings the above plan
> > wants to fix.
> > 
> > I'm a high school teacher and a bit preoccupied as project coordinator
> > for GNU Free Call for the time being, so I will probably not have time
> > to complete the missing features for some months.
> 
> So, I got you wrong then :)

In what sense? My background or my spare time for adding features? :) 
> 
> In any case Fram might be useful for Sugar, and we can, at lease, start
> experimenting on -devel wiki instance.

One cool feature that is available, is to write a code block once and then use 
several class names to include that block in different files. We use this in the 
GNU SIP Witch configuration article. Rather than writing several articles with 
different complete configurations, we can reuse those pieces that are alike and 
create extra code blocks for different examples. To see an example of this, see 
http://www.gnutelephony.org/index.php/GNU_SIP_Witch_configuration

> 
> > Yours sincerely,
> > Haakon Meland Eriksen, Fram
> > 
> > Fredag 24. juni 2011 20.10.19 skrev Aleksey Lim :
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > This is an option that can make wiki.sugarlabs.org more useful, e.g.,
> > > having powerful tutorials on wiki.sl.o when people can launch
> > > activities right from the wiki.
> > > 
> > > I think we can try it on wiki-devel.sl.o...
> > > 
> > > FGrose: any ideas? Are you taking care about -devel instance on
> > > sunjammer? If not, I can help Haakon with setting up FRAM there.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Forwarded message from Haakon <haakon.eriksen at far.no> -----
> > > 
> > > From: Haakon <haakon.eriksen at far.no>
> > > Subject: Fram - a suggestion for bringing kids to Sugar-programming
> > > To: Alsroot <alsroot at member.fsf.org>
> > > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:02:00 -0500 (EST)
> > > 
> > > Hi, Aleksey!
> > > 
> > > Have you heard about literal programming? It was a concept introduced
> > > by the famous Donald E. Knuth. The idea is to write about your
> > > intensions, then intersperse your explanation with marked code,
> > > continue explaning what you want to do, add some more code and
> > > continue explaining this way until you are done. The marked code is
> > > then extracted for use by an interpreter or for compiliation by the
> > > computer. In short, programming is considered an act of writing for
> > > others.
> > > 
> > > A friend of mine, Philippe Teuwen, and I have a small project called
> > > "Fram", which bacically does literal programming in a wiki. See
> > > http://far.no/fram/index.php?title=User:Haakon for the pre-history of
> > > Fram or my "Introduction to Haskell" to see what Fram is about -
> > > http://far.no/fram/index.php?title=Introduction_to_Haskell
> > > 
> > > I was writing to another friend, when it hit me - this is a useful
> > > concept to introduce into the Sugar environment, because we want to
> > > empower Free Software users and get children into programming. What if
> > > every activity was available as an article written in a literal
> > > programming way, then the child could see what was intended and how
> > > this was implemented into code. If they have any questions, they can
> > > use the Discussion page.
> > > 
> > > My e-mail address is haakon.eriksen at far.no if you have any questions.
> > > 
> > > Yours sincerely,
> > > Haakon Meland Eriksen, Drammen, Norway