<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Laura Vargas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank">laura@somosazucar.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Walter,<br><div><br>Thanks for your work and consideration for the
importance of Language translation support on Sugar Labs channels. I
hope we get Spanish support back in Sugar-Meeting.<span class="gmail-m_2504239558398299639gmail-"><br><br></span></div><div>All user data I have is equally accessible for everyone and it is the results of 4 years of Hexoquinasa and the <a href="http://network.sugarlabs.org/stats-viewer/" target="_blank">Sugar Network local node</a> deployment at Perú.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I have no idea how to interpret these statistics. Can you please summarize what I am looking at? What conclusions you draw and how the data support those conclusions?</div><div>(I read the wiki page [1], which talks about User objects and Contexts objects, but never explains what these objects are, how they were gathered, or how one would interpret them.)</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><br><div><br></div><div>As for the "Design insights", I have learn the best practice is to clearly understand the request before making suggestions and/or prototyping a solution.<br><br></div><div>In the example we are setting, the user requesting this feature underlined the need is<b> for very young children to be able to easily install new activities.</b></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Can you please document where this feature request came from and its context? What ages does this user consider to be "very young children"? How do the currently available tools make it difficult for them to install new activities? What exactly is the problem you are proposing to solve?<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>I agree an Activity Catalog from the main icon would serve the purpose as long as the caretaker/teacher/parent can pre-set preferences for filtering / displaying proper Activities for the specific learner's needs. <br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't know what an Activity Catalog is. Nor what you mean by "from the main icon". Serve what purpose? You raise yet another issue: filtering activities. Is this a problem from the field? Can you please describe it in detail? Can you please analyze the currently available approaches to filtering, such as tags, categories, and collections in ASLO, preloaded activity bundles, etc. fall short? Again, what is the problem that you are trying to address? </div><div><br></div><div>regards</div><div><br></div><div>-walter</div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Sugar_Network/API&redirect=no#Node_statistics">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Sugar_Network/API&redirect=no#Node_statistics</a></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><b><br></b></div><div class="gmail_extra"><b><br></b></div><div class="gmail_extra"><b>I'll follow your suggestion and draft a description of what a </b><b>"Sugar Activities Catalog" could be/do.</b> </div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Thanks again, regards and happy equinox! <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Laura Victoria<br></div><div><div class="gmail-h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-09-24 8:04 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="gmail-m_2504239558398299639gmail-">On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Laura Vargas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank">laura@somosazucar.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">[para Sugar-Sur favor traducir y leer] <br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span>2017-09-23 1:11 GMT-05:00 James Cameron <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail-m_2504239558398299639gmail-m_-7357435068754250402gmail-m_-1279607776389037568m_-6089247852046083566gmail-">On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 06:19:48AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:<br>
> Thank you all that were present for the reactivation meeting for the<br>
> Sugar Labs Design Team.<br>
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</span>It was a horrible experience.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>For children living in development countries "a horrible experience" has real meaning. <br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I believe James was referring to the meeting itself. I too felt it was a horrible experience. Bullying, attacks on the motivation and integrity of your colleagues. Not what I would have hoped for.</div><span class="gmail-m_2504239558398299639gmail-"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br>I hope one day soon you get to understand the importance of integrating real children's needs to their Software Design.<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Rather than accuse James of a lack of understanding, perhaps you can provide us concrete evidence that the needs of children is not being considered. And actionable plans for rectifying the situation.</div><span class="gmail-m_2504239558398299639gmail-"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><span><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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> Gracias a todos los que estuvieron presentes para la reactivación<br>
> del equipo de Diseño de Sugar Labs.<br>
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</span>Can't read that.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Is a simple translation. <br><br>It was sad to feel Spanish is a not welcomed language in the community. <br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>If you read the transcript of the meeting, no one said that Spanish was not welcome. When you said to Sebastian that perhaps you should run the meeting in Spanish, I reminded you that there were non-Spanish speakers at the meeting. I also attempted to get the meeting translation system working. </div><span class="gmail-m_2504239558398299639gmail-"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div><br></div><div>The example I gave with the requirement "to be able to download activities from the user interface" has many possible solutions; for example a Sugar Activities Catalog.<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>(A) I don't recall you actually articulating a real problem; (B) I don't recall you explaining what a "Sugar Activities Catalog" is; (C) I don't recall any discussion about actions other than my suggesting that we use the feature pages to describe and debate new Sugar features and design ideas. No tangible ideas were presented in the meeting, so no tangible ideas could have been dismissed. I look forward to learning more about the Sugar Activities Catalog and how it advances the design of Sugar.</div><span class="gmail-m_2504239558398299639gmail-"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br>Instead, this "design team" you strongly protect, doesn't have an instance to think, share and select possible solutions and/or course of actions.<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>The only thing that I was tying to "protect" was our process of design reviews, which James outlined clearly in a previous email [1] in this thread.</div><span class="gmail-m_2504239558398299639gmail-"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>In current process, whoever reaches the user/teacher first gives back his personal ideas only. <br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>I am not sure to what you are referring. But you did claim in the meeting to have user data, which you seem reluctant to share with the community.</div><span class="gmail-m_2504239558398299639gmail-"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>In this example he/she would have received Tony's directions and the design insight would have been forever lost.<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>No idea what you were referring to.</div><span class="gmail-m_2504239558398299639gmail-"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br><br>That is no coherent if community hopes for the Sugar software to evolve.<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Again, no idea what you are referring to. Please explain.</div><div><br></div><div>-walter </div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2017-September/054796.html" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org<wbr>/archive/sugar-devel/2017-Sept<wbr>ember/054796.html</a></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail-m_2504239558398299639gmail-"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Regards <br></div><span><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br><br></div></div>-- <br><div class="gmail-m_2504239558398299639gmail-m_-7357435068754250402gmail-m_-1279607776389037568m_-6089247852046083566gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Laura V.<br><font color="#ff00ff"><b>
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