<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"></blockquote><div>Hi,, sorry to be writing to so many people. I don't understand who wrote each line in this thread, but i just need to specify something following the way <a href="http://escuelab.org">escuelab.org</a> understands things...</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style>But Escuelab Puno was created exactly to process Puno deployment(s),<br>
</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not really. Escuelab Puno was created because there was the will to create it among the different founders. Goals are not just "to process Puno deployments". There someone is assuming wrong.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style></span><span style>and if I got the last SL Peru meeting right, the agreement was that<br>
</span><span style>Escuelab Puno is part of global Peruvian community (thus, a part of SL Peru)<br></span><span style>and there is an intention to work within the one effort (as one of SL Peru<br></span><span style>projects) on Puno pilot of Hexoquinasa project?<br>
</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Escuelab Puno can be seen as a part of Peruvian Community but not "thus a part of SL Perú".</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span style></span><span style>In other words, Escuelab Puno, to successfully process Puno pilot, needs<br></span><span style>to request funds from SL Peru Board, i.e., create funding request ticket<br></span><span style>when it needs to mention the timeline for finding, the purpose of<br>
</span><span style>finding, the benefits for SL Peru community, and how to revise results<br></span><span style>(as all other projects, i.e., Hexoquinasa and Harmonic Distribution).</span></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px">
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</blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"></blockquote><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif">It does not "need", It "can". It can also search for other ways of funding....</font></div>
<div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif">I hope you all agree with the precissions described...</font></div><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif">Kiko</font></div><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">El 13 de abril de 2012 15:06, Laura Vargas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org">laura@somosazucar.org</a>></span> escribió:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/11 Aleksey Lim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alsroot@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">alsroot@sugarlabs.org</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 05:10:47PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:<br>
> 2012/4/11 Aleksey Lim <<a href="mailto:alsroot@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">alsroot@sugarlabs.org</a>><br>
><br>
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:25:49AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
> > Just one question to avoid futher misunderstanding, is this thread<br>
> > spreadsheet the plan for local Hexoquinasa project?<br>
><br>
><br>
> Yes.<br>
><br>
><br>
> > i.e., the financial<br>
> > plan that Board will consider for approving will include other projects,<br>
> > how I see them (fix me if I'm wrong):<br>
> ><br>
> > * Escuelab Puno<br>
> > funds for processing Puno pilot<br>
><br>
><br>
> As for Escuelab Puno, this is an incorporated NGO, not a SL Perú project<br>
> and not under the supervision of the Board.<br>
><br>
> There are many members of the SL Perú community located in the region of<br>
> Puno, some of them will be playing active roles in Hexoquinasa Project<br>
> Pilot and therefore they are considered in Hexoquinasa's Financial Plan.<br>
<br>
</div>But Escuelab Puno was created exactly to process Puno deployment(s),<br>
and if I got the last SL Peru meeting right, the agreement was that<br>
Escuelab Puno is part of global Peruvian community (thus, a part of SL Peru)<br>
and there is an intention to work within the one effort (as one of SL Peru<br>
projects) on Puno pilot of Hexoquinasa project?<br>
<br>
In other words, Escuelab Puno, to successfully process Puno pilot, needs<br>
to request funds from SL Peru Board, i.e., create funding request ticket<br>
when it needs to mention the timeline for finding, the purpose of<br>
finding, the benefits for SL Peru community, and how to revise results<br>
(as all other projects, i.e., Hexoquinasa and Harmonic Distribution).<br>
<div><br>
> * Harmonic Distribution<br>
> > funds for releasing the first candidate (v0.3) that will be used as<br>
> > a basis for Hexoquinasa distribution to use in Puno pilot<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> Harmonic Distribution in not a SL Perú project either, instead we have<br>
> allocated your contribution (as Upstream Developer) within the Hexoquinasa<br>
> Financial Plan.<br>
<br>
</div>Keeping in mind the whole this thread, I can only repeat myself. Why global<br>
SL funding workflow is broken (and SL Peru does not take into account all<br>
lessons, at least from my pov) is because:<br>
<br>
* the full process is not well represented for community<br>
(on ML and Wiki)<br>
* the funding strategy is not-clear/absent-at-all for all community<br>
participants<br>
<br>
Since the process (SL Peru) started as a community driven process (not a<br>
process of close group of people), the clear picture about whats going<br>
on and for what reason, and how it is turned to the current status,<br>
is critically important. It is similar to how ideal state government should<br>
happen: the citizens are not being managed by the government, but<br>
citizens hired managers to better manage existing funds (in the name of<br>
citizens themselves). It should not happen (how it happens in my country<br>
at least) because managers assure citizens that they (managers) do<br>
everything right, but because the whole process is transparent and<br>
everyone can monitor it.<br>
<br>
What I see right now (from spreadsheet), Hexoquinasa is not a local project,<br>
it behaves like the only project within the SL Peru (I guess the<br>
original conflict with Escuelab Puno was exactly due to situation like<br>
that). Keeping all things in one place make it really messy and bad<br>
understanding for community.<br>
<br>
>From my point of view, it is better to:<br>
<br>
* clearly separate [sub]projects<br></blockquote><div><br>Granted. We will clearly separate Hexoquinasa's Production from Hexoquinasa's Pilots. <br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
* well document each [sub]project<br></blockquote><div><br>We (the somos azúcar team) can only take responsibility (as for now) for Hexoquinasa's Production.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
* expose the roadmap/timeline for each [sub]projects<br></blockquote><div><br>We are learning to make documentation. Hopefully we will be improving with practice.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
* clearly say who is responsible for processing each [sub]projects<br></blockquote><div><br>Agree.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
* and how to revise each [sub]project's results<br></blockquote><div><br>Agree. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
>From the technical (not people) point of view, it might be:<br>
<br>
* developing Harmonic Distribution candidate<br>
goal: the technical basis for Hexoquinasa distribution<br>
responsibility: alsroot<br>
timeline: HD-0.3 until June<br>
funds needed: ...<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>+1<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
* developing Hexoquinasa candidate<br>
goal: complete product to support edu deployments<br>
responsibility: icarito, kameetza<br>
timeline: Hexoquinasa-0.3 until June<br>
funds needed: ...<br>
<br></blockquote><div>+1<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
* processing Sugar Camp Puno (Escuelab Puno)<br>
goal: complete i18n, mobilize people that will take part in Puno, make sure that Hexoquinasa candidate works<br>
responsibility: david, eleazar, neyder<br>
timeline: ...<br>
funds needed: ...<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>This is not confirmed at this point. Edgar Quispe and other members of SL community (that are not Escuelab Puno) are willing to perform as well. <br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
* train chaski (Escuelab Puno)<br>
goal: train people who will provide tech support to one-teachers schools<br>
responsibility: david, eleazar, neyder<br>
timeline: ...<br>
funds needed: ...<br>
<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>This is not confirmed at this point either. So far, Icarito is taking responsibility for this as well.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
* ...<br>
<br>
So, we will get:<br>
<br>
* the full process (not only current state) is clear for community<br>
<br>
* for possible funding requesters, it will be clear can they afford to<br>
ask for funding or not (are their projects important enough to couple<br>
existing funds)<br>
<br>
* possible donators can see what ongoing projects are and make<br>
targeted donations<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Aleksey<br>
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