[somos-azucar] SugarCamp Lima 2011 tickets request

[Walter Bender]

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Sebastian Silva
<sebastian en somosazucar.org> wrote:
> Hi Walter
> Thanks for sharing your concerns.
> I'm cc'ing IAEP as there is no reason for confidentiality.

I have been responding to the threads you guys started... hadn't
noticed that they had not been inclusive. Glad to see that now they
are.

>
> I hope I can convince you of the importance of supporting
> the Local Lab in the articulation of an effort to involve the
> wider society in the selection of software and content their
> children get with their machines.

I need no convincing of that.

>
> We have heard about lots of machine downtime related to the
> activation / "security" system. Peru is in an offline context:
> "activation lease" is distributed on USB keys for an entire year,
> instead of the week they were designed to. This means in the
> beginning of the year your computer does not work until
> some USB key arrives to the most remote locations of Peru.

Not sure what you mean by "designed to". As far as the leasing system,
it is up to the deployment to make these decisions. I applaud your
efforts to improve upon the situation, but I think it is outside of
the context of Sugar Labs itself.

>
> In these conditions the "security" system has basically become
> DRM at the service of Education Ministries. For this reason our
> group is going to recommend the disabling of the security system.

I don't particularly agree with that characterization, but again, I am
in personally favor of advocating the unlocking of machines where it
is safe to do so.

>
> We believe each Local Lab should be in the technical
> conditions to provide services to their deployments and find
> sustainibility in this - so this is the ultimate strategic objective of
> the event.

I also applaud that goal, although I don't yet understand your
strategy for achieving it.

>
> We will be holding a panel on the second day of the Sugar Camp
> Lima 2011:
> "10 recomendaciones para el proyecto Una Laptop Por Niño",
> to which you are heartfully invited to participate.

Recommendations are of course always welcome. I don't know what your
10 are, but I am sure many of us in the community have some to
contribute.

>
> I hope the information contained here and in the following
> answers are enough for SLOBs to take a vote on the two
> tickets requested.
>
> Thanks,
> Sebastian
> PS: my answers below
>
> 2011/10/29, Walter Bender <walter.bender en gmail.com>:
>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Sebastian Silva
>> <sebastian en somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>> SLOBs,
>>> Laura sent this email to SLOBs but it seems to not have passed moderation!
>>> Maybe this will help clear out any doubts about our objectives and our
>>> level of commitment.
>>>
>>> Walter, do not hesitate to direct any concerns to our public list or
>>> the organization comittee at malla en somosazucar.org. Also detailed
>>> information can be found at this working site:
>>> https://sites.google.com/a/somosazucar.org/sucarcamplima2011/
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Laura Vargas <laura en somosazucar.org>
>>> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:50:53 -0500
>>> Subject: SugarCamp Lima 2011 tickets request
>>> To: slobs en lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> Cc: juancamilo en somosazucar.org, Sebastian Silva
>>> <sebastian en somosazucar.org>, koke en somosazucar.org, kikomayorga
>>> <kiko en escuelab.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello dear SLOBs,
>>>
>>> Here in Perú, we are at full speed preparing Sugar Camp
>>> Lima 2011. The deployment is on a very interesting turning
>>> point:
>>> - There is a new administration (yei!)
>>> - There are over 500,000 locked machines on field O.O
>>> - Less than 2% has connectivity..
>>
>> Is this accurate? From what I have heard, this number is off by an
>> order of magnitude. Could you please check? In any case, what can
>> Sugar Labs do to help improve the situation?
>
> Yes this is accurate.
> The latest IADB study of July 2010 reads exactly 1.4%:
> http://tinyurl.com/4x9bcrw

I'll have to ask BID and MEC to reconcile their numbers. In any case,
I am not sure what Sugar Labs can do about this.

>
>>
>>> - The image they are using today is not updated nor adapted
>>> (ex. loss of WiFi on suspend, English language by default).
>>> - It is also incompatible with newer Activities, because of lack
>>> of support for new toolbars (Sugar 0.84 or even 0.82).
>>
>> As I understand it, they have a new image in the works. Is the plan to
>> work with them on improving it or to replace it with something else?
>> If the latter, what is the rationale?
>
> Our plan is always to try to be helpful.
> For this project the plan is to produce an image officially supported
> by somosAZUCAR - Sugar Labs Peru. We are always open to collaborate
> with them on improving their 2013 release.

Good to hear you will help with the 2013 release.

>
>>> - We, as a local lab, are looking forward to create a *sustainable
>>> model* by formalizing our relationship with authorities in charge of
>>> the deployment.
>>
>> Could you please elaborate a bit on what that means?
>
> I'll leave that to Laura.  :o)
>
>>>
>>> SugarCamp Lima 2011 will showcase the best our community has to
>>> offer both in software as in content customization. By collaboratively
>>> producing an *updated image of sugar*, sugar camp Lima 2011,
>>> promises to become a memorable experience for all of us.
>>
>> I appreciate wanting to bring in great people, but I don't understand
>> what you mean when you refer to creating an updated image of sugar.
>>
> She means an updated operating system image with an updated version
> of Sugar.
>
> From another thread:
>>> We are preparing an image for a region of Peru, Puno. This image will
>>> feature updated software, translations to Quechua and Aymara (Puno is
>>> the stronghold of ancient Andean culture) as well as content specific
>>> for their context (e.g. "Map My Lake Activity" in development for
>>> measuring and monitoring water quality levels around Lake Titicaca).
>>> So this is more than just internationalization.
>>>
>>> From the technical side I can add that:
>>> We will be using Sugar 0.94 both on XO1 and regular computers
>>> (Dextrose 3 for one, Trisquel for the others). By doing this we expect
>>> to build on the integration work already done by others and contribute
>>> to both projects.
>
> Our focus will be on providing the users the best possible experience for
> their context and culture, in a stable release.
>

There is much work to do to make a "stable' release beyond
integration. I wonder if it is efficient to have 3+ different
integration efforts going on concurrently. But I suppose you have a
rationale.

>>>
>>> There is a lot of enthusiasm among local and global community members!
>>
>> Great.
>>
>>>
>>> Technical team have requested the tickets of Aleksey [alsroot] who will
>>> help with the integration work and Ruben Rodriguez [quidam] who is the
>>> Trisquel project leader.
>>
>> Integration of what?
>
> Integration of translations, of sugar versions/patches, content.
> I will be preparing a "continuous integration" environment for the marathon.
> Translator Team will be able to test drive their translations. Content Team
> will be able to test user experience and content selection. We have
> coordinators for each of those tasks.
>
>>
>>>
>>> Any suggestion and/or additional support is welcome.
>>
>> My suggestion is a bit more clarity of the goals.

and to work upstream!!!

>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> laura
>>>
>>> cc local lab perú
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sebastian Silva
>>> http://somosazucar.org/
>>> "Te imaginas si te pudieran enseñar sólo a leer pero no a escribir??"
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>
>
>
> 2011/10/29, Walter Bender <walter.bender en gmail.com>:
>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Sebastian Silva
>> <sebastian en somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>> I've answered separately forwarding an email by Laura Vargas with our
>>> strategic perspective and rationale for objectives. Also a link to a
>>> detailed agenda of the event.
>>>
>>> We are preparing an image for a region of Peru, Puno. This image will
>>> feature updated software, translations to Quechua and Aymara (Puno is
>>> the stronghold of ancient Andean culture) as well as content specific
>>> for their context (e.g. "Map My Lake Activity" in development for
>>> measuring and monitoring water quality levels around Lake Titicaca).
>>> So this is more than just internationalization.
>>>
>>> From the technical side I can add that:
>>> We will be using Sugar 0.94 both on XO1 and regular computers
>>> (Dextrose 3 for one, Trisquel for the others). By doing this we expect
>>> to build on the integration work already done by others and contribute
>>> to both projects.
>>
>> This makes it more clear at least why you want Reuben and Aleksey to
>> come to Peru.
>>
>>>
>

Best of luck.

-walter

-- 
Walter Bender
Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org