<div dir="ltr"><div>The aim of sharing the design wiki page was to show you a design document which contains lots of information,</div><div>yours doesn't have to be that way but it should give you an idea of what a similar document should look like.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't think the old design review committee process should be revived.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I agree with James too, the document doesn't seem have been researched.</div><div><br></div><div>You should open a PR on sugarizer to continue the discussion there, it's easier when there's something to test.<br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><pre style="color:rgb(46,52,54);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace">-- <br></span></pre><div style="color:rgb(46,52,54);font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;width:71ch"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><span></span><span></span>Ibiam Chihurumnaya</span></div><div style="color:rgb(46,52,54);font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;width:71ch"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><a href="mailto:ibiam@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">ibiam@sugarlabs.org</a><br></span></div><br></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 8:35 PM MR. OPTIMIST <<a href="mailto:panuj7295@gmail.com">panuj7295@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hello Chihurumnaya sir,<div> Thanks for your feedback and reply to my email. I went through the guidelines based on which UI of the sugarizer is made. And except color principles i find the design proposal is okay and changes can be made(My opinion). All the suggestions in UI changes were made to enhance the navigation experience and reduce navigation time, increase interaction time. I have clearly mentioned reasons why UI needs to be changed and proposed with effective changes that can be made. </div><div><br></div><div>I wish to make a contribution to the following changes proposed by me.I also wish to keep contributing to sugar activities in future.<br></div><div>Sir can this proposal make space in the gsoc idea list of sugar labs.</div><div><br></div><div>proposed changes document link:- <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">Click me to open !!</a></div><div><br></div><div>Thank you !</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 7:49 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam <<a href="mailto:ibiam@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">ibiam@sugarlabs.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Anuj,</div><div><br></div><div>While I think that changes can be made to the UI of Sugar/Sugarizer, there are processes they should follow and ideas behind why</div><div>these processes exist, the <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team" target="_blank">design team</a> page on the wiki contains really helpful information. <br></div><div><br></div><div>The document you've shared contains changes to the UI but doesn't explain the reason behind those changes besides <br></div><div>"they look better" and design decisions aren't just based on something looking better. <br></div><div><br></div><div>There's also the issue of completing the UI change and maintenance, maintenance is a really huge part of changes to software</div><div>and if someone comes and says we should change something, from previous experience they usually just suggest that change and</div><div>aren't ready to maintain it so leaving more work to the existing maintainers if the change is made.</div><div><br></div><div>You've done some research like you've mentioned but the document you shared doesn't show the research you've done but just</div><div>UI changes, it'll be helpful to point us to it.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope this helps.<br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><pre style="color:rgb(46,52,54);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace">-- <br></span></pre><div style="color:rgb(46,52,54);font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;width:71ch"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><span></span><span></span>Ibiam Chihurumnaya</span></div><div style="color:rgb(46,52,54);font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;width:71ch"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><a href="mailto:ibiam@sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">ibiam@sugarlabs.org</a><br></span></div><br></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 12:05 PM MR. OPTIMIST <<a href="mailto:panuj7295@gmail.com" target="_blank">panuj7295@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thanks Alex Sir,<div> Your response to email is very much appreciated. Sorry for the late reply.</div><div><br></div><div>I love to mention that I have used sugarizer for many days and I also know that its UI has been designed with the vision that it's gonna be used by childrens. My point is that sugarizer was developed back in 2013 and the internet revolution at the time was very less in comparison to 2023. The UI and Ux terms were not that considerable at that time and everyone didn't had access to the mobile phones and internet, But as of now in 2023 the childrens from 1 or even less than that start using technical devices and the UX is what first thing that they interact with like games and other applications.So the UI of sugarizer is not matching with the need of today's generation which reduces the user interest (research) to use the platform. So my point is we can work to enhance its UI to meet today's need and increase the interaction time of the users of our product.<br> <br> Considering my skills, I'm a second year engineering student and a self learner, I have done multiple projects on AI based applications and developed 2 websites as of now. To authenticate my words hereby i have listed all my projects in my github account and link of my github account is:- </div><div><a href="https://www.github/Anujverma89" target="_blank"> https://www.github/Anujverma89</a><br><br> <br> Considering what part of the product and UI can be modified to give new user experience, I have done research and explained it in the given pdf you can view it thoroughly.<br>Here is the link :-</div><div><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">Click me to open !!</a> <br></div><div><br></div><div>Your suggestions on changeable topics(UI) will be highly appreciated !! </div><div>Thank You..</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 12:18 AM Alex Perez <<a href="mailto:aperez@alexperez.com" target="_blank">aperez@alexperez.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <div>Anuj,<br> <br> I appreciate your enthusiasm, and welcome. Before any UI re-design would be considered, we would require detailed written analysis of what the goals are for such a re-design, what's "wrong" with the current design, and what your qualifications are for making what are largely subjective changes. While everyone has opinions on UI design, engineers are often infamous for designing awful user interfaces. Please share with us what sorts qualifications you possess that would qualify you to make UI design changes to Sugar/Sugarizer. <br> <br> Have you ever used Sugar for more than a few hours, or a day? If so, which elements do you feel should be changed? If you have not used Sugar extensively, I would argue that you likely lack sufficient experience to propose such changes.<br> <br> The Sugar/Sugarizer UI was primarily designed for <span style="font-style:italic">children</span> of a specific age range. Almost all design decisions stem from that basic premise. Have you considered this?<br> <br> Regards,<br> Alex Perez<br> <br> <span>MR. OPTIMIST wrote on 3/10/23 10:24 AM:</span><br> <blockquote type="cite"> <div dir="ltr">Hello everyone !<div><div> I am Anuj Verma from Maharashtra, India majoring in computer science and engineering. I have worked in multiple projects and web applications including AI projects.</div></div><div>I have checked the sugarizer, it's pretty good but I believe it's UI can be improved. Like we </div><div>can add links to words as well as icons, we can improve icons as well which is less user friendly(in my opinion).I have experience of working with many projects but have not worked on open source yet. I'm writing to seek further comments and be open to constructive feedback and criticism. 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