On November 19, 2020 11:58:04 AM GMT+03:00, James Cameron <quozl@laptop.org> wrote: >On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 09:34:36AM +0300, Srevin Saju wrote: >> On November 19, 2020 8:38:09 AM GMT+03:00, James Cameron <quozl@laptop.org> wrote: >> >On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 10:50:58PM +0300, Srevin Saju wrote: >> >> G'day again! >> >> >> >> After 7 months of testing, iterations, bug reports, we have finally come up >> >> with ASLOv4, Sugar Labs Activity Library v4. >> > >> >Thanks for working on this. >> > >> >> Thanks to Bernie for helping me out set it up! >> >> >> >> So far, we have 3 activities on aslo-v4: >> >> >> >> * Browse Activity >> >> * JupyterLabs Activity >> >> * Implode Activity >> > >> >That's reasonable. There have been no new activities released >> >recently. You should update >> >https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/contributing.md >> >"Checklist - maintainer" with what should be done by whomever releases >> >the next activity. This is urgent. I know Ibiam plans to work on >> >activities soon, and who knows, maybe I might do some too. >> > >> >Meanwhile, if you wish to release another activity, please do so. >> >> Sure! >> >> > >> >> Things to consider: >> >> >> >> * What would be the new sub-domain name? (v4.activities.sugarlabs.org, >> >> activities-4.sugarlabs.org, aslo4.sugarlabs.org) >> > >> >Use activities.sugarlabs.org, showing the old view for Sugar 0.112 and >> >earlier, otherwise the new view. It will require a bit of PHP porting >> >to happen, but that's well documented upstream. >> > >> >While we wait for that porting to happen, a new name is not required. >> >> I wonder if I would ever do the porting. I tried to, porting aslo-v1's source alone to php7 is reasonable. But, aslo-v1 directly dependa on an embedded dependency cakephp, which is quite hard work to port. So, until someone else ports it to php7, I don't know. > >Well, let's put that in perspective; > >1. an upper bound on porting effort; we have 557 files and 161k lines >of code with type .php in the aslo repository, > >2. a lower bound on porting effort; using areltime on >/src/www-sugarlabs/activities, only 61 files have been used in past >day, a total of 29k lines of code, `find . -name '*.php' -amin -1440` > >3. CakePHP is available for PHP 7.2, <a href="https://cakephp.org/">https://cakephp.org/</a> and they >have docs on deprecated and removed features. Yes, I have read the docs. Things have considerably changed from 1.3.4 (currently used in aslo-v1), and the current stable version is 4.1. And the guide for porting it is easier, if we are moving from, for example, 1->2, or 2->3. But 1->4 is a huge jump. And even as I don't have a strong base in PHP, things become even more complicated. Probably I wouldn't work on it > >> Another way is to setup an nginx proxy_pass (also apache has it too), to redirect according to the user agent. Which seems reasonably simpler and easy. > >Yes, I guess so, but until I see it I'm not sure. I can show you this one, as I use it at many places. I have tested the Apache version, but not nginx. But I am sure it would work. But this would require running a webserver outside also VM, or move aslo-v1 to a docker container running xenial, because xenial provides python 3.5 iirc, but aslo-v4 requires minimum python3.6. There has been a recent discussion on #sugar-systems about changing the method of deployment for aslo-v4, you might be interested > >> >> > >> >> * Are there are any missing features to add, which have not been discussed >> >> before? (<a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/aslo-v4)">https://github.com/sugarlabs/aslo-v4)</a> >> > >> >I don't remember which have been discussed before, but what I'd like >> >to see is; >> > >> >1. show "Browse" when the search string is set to "bro"; currently it >> >shows "Implode", possibly related to #34; a simple substring search >> >could be used instead of a library, >> >> Yes, I have marked it as "help-wanted", using a simple substring match, would not show any results if we have a small spelling error in the search. And kids tend to make spelling errors, most of them never get it right in the first place. If I tell a kid to get jupyter activity, he might hear it as "jupiter activity", so, searching for "jupiter", should yield " jupyter" along with search results right? > >Kids should learn to spell, and that's one way to force the issue. >Algorithms that make things too easy cause kids not to learn as well. > >Still, I'd expect "bro" to match "Browse". > Ok, I will check into that. The search library indexes description too, maybe I should remove the description indexing and use titles and summary alone for cleaner search. Right? >> >2. provide a list of all activity bundles available; currently the >> >default page is not suitable as a list, >> >> Good idea, we need to shortlist the selected activities. Flathub has a list of selected apps. Similarly, according to popularity / demand, we can "feature" certain apps. >> >> > >> >3. support Sugar's microformat software upgrade feature in My >> >Settings, so that a new release can cause automatic upgrade, >> > >> >4. change Browse to show if an activity bundle, by name and version, >> >is already installed, (this is what Android and iOS app stores can do, >> >but will require integration between Browse, Sugar, and the web app), >> > >> >5. change Browse default page to link to the web app, if it takes on >> >a different name to activities.sugarlabs.org. >> > >> >> If the php7 porting doesn't happen, I will update sugar's source to use the new domain, i.e v4.activities.sugarlabs.org, et. al, and it supports everything mentioned in 3, 4 and 5. 4th one is blocked by the new subdomain name. >> >> >> >> Interesting features >> >> >> >> * Improved, accessible user interface >> >> * Lightweight, static web pages >> >> * Written in Python, Vanilla Javascript, HTML and CSS >> >> * Support for Flatpak apps >> >> >> >> For an extensive documentation and feature set: see >> >> <a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/aslo-v4">https://github.com/sugarlabs/aslo-v4</a> >> >> >> >> Right now, we are having a dynamic IP address (because of ambiguity in the >> >> assigned slots), its accessible here: <a href="http://18.27.196.217">http://18.27.196.217</a>, >> >> <a href="https://people.sugarlabs.org/~srevinsaju/aslo">https://people.sugarlabs.org/~srevinsaju/aslo</a> >> > >> >To say "No info provided" on the JupyterLabs activity seems >> >unecessary. I suggest changing this to   >> > >> >> Ok! >> >> >> Looking forward to hearing from you. Hope, everything is going well, and >> >> safe! >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Srevin Saju >> >> >> > > >p.s. don't know why we are off-list now. Sorry, recently, I switched my mail client on Android, from GMail to K2Mail, and I am getting used to it. Good that we use quotes 🙂 >