<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 2:58 PM James Cameron <<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org">quozl@laptop.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:00:07AM -0400, Jeff Elkner wrote:<br>
> Thanks for the quick responses, Chihurumnaya and James! Yes,<br>
> pressing F3 did the trick.<br>
<br>
Yay!<br>
<br>
> I should have remembered that from my OLPC days, but it has been so<br>
> long since I've used Sugar. Incidentally, I had forgotten that I<br>
> lent my last two XO4's to a former student so that he could<br>
> experiment with mesh networking. He is finished with them and is<br>
> returning them to me. A quick look at:<br>
> <br>
> <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/18.04.0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/18.04.0</a><br>
> <br>
> reveals that the latest Sugar update for my XO's will be running<br>
> Ubuntu 18.04,<br>
<br>
No, it's not for your XOs.<br>
<br>
> but also that it has the same issues I'm seeing in the<br>
> Debian Sid VM with Metacity, I guess?<br>
<br>
No, I fixed it.<br>
<br>
> James, I can't agree with you from personal experience that "Rasbian<br>
> has a very high barrier to entry unless the microSD card is<br>
> purchased already loaded (e.g. NOOBS)." On the contrary, the<br>
> website instructions for creating your own microSD card are super<br>
> easy using etcher (<a href="https://www.balena.io/etcher/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.balena.io/etcher/</a>). When you first<br>
> boot from the resulting microSD, it automatically runs a script that<br>
> expands the file system to fill the card, so the steps are really<br>
> just:<br>
> <br>
> 1. Install Etcher.<br>
> 2. Download the Raspian image file.<br>
> 3. Write it to the microSD card.<br>
> 4. Put it in your Raspberry Pi, turn it on, and follow directions.<br>
> 5. Enjoy your new operating system!<br>
> <br>
> That's precisely what I mean by a "user friendly recipe", since it<br>
> is cross platform, does not even require knowledge of the Unix CLI,<br>
> and works like a charm.<br>
<br>
You most likely have more skills than the people I've trained in this<br>
recipe. We must think of the people who are prevented by disadvantage<br>
from gaining these skills.<br>
<br>
But my question was answered, thanks. I now know what level of skill<br>
you are aiming for, and that means we can collaborate further.<br>
<br>
It's a how long is a piece of string argument.<br>
<br>
Given that level of skill, a *truly* beginner friendly installation<br>
recipe that you have as a goal should be (a) install Raspbian, (b)<br>
install Sugar.<br>
<br>
Step (a) is already well documented by the Raspberry Pi Foundation,<br>
and many Raspberry Pi are purchased with preloaded Raspbian.<br>
<br>
Step (b) recipe is here;<br>
<a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/debian.md</a><br>
<br>
It works now for Debian Stretch, and when Debian Buster is released it<br>
should be the same.<br>
<br>
Step (b) could be improved by writing a script to do the install, and<br>
fix any of the bugs that haven't been fixed in the Debian packages.<br>
Or the bugs might be reported to Debian instead. I prefer the latter,<br>
because the rising tide lifts all boats.<br>
<br>
If you begin to do this, you'll probably be the first person doing it<br>
for years. Thank you!<br>
<br>
> Last thing to report -- After Chihurumnaya so kindly and patiently<br>
> reminded my about F3 (which I really should have remembered :-(, I<br>
> was able to get to the main activity window and see the four<br>
> activities. Three of them worked, but the browse activity did not.<br>
<br>
Also test the hidden activities. You can see these with F3 Ctrl-2.<br>
<br>
> I think is is really important to fix the Metacity problem so that<br>
> you see the proper welcome screen when you launch Sugar. I'm not<br>
> going to try to push things onto Debian stretch.<br>
<br>
Reporting the problems against Debian Stretch can still be useful, as<br>
the problem may not yet be fixed in Debian Buster, and the problem may<br>
end up being fixed in Debian Stretch updates if it is sufficiently<br>
severe or security related.<br>
<br>
But you are correct that reporting against Debian Buster is a good<br>
thing to do as well.<br>
<br>
> Buster is looking like it will become the stable distro sometime<br>
> this Summer. After that settles would be a good time to talk about<br>
> a deployment recipe for buster. Since I'm a school teacher and<br>
> won't have students during June, July and August, I'm really hoping<br>
> to ramp this up next September in any case.<br>
<br>
Great. Looking forward to it.<br>
<br>
I spent a few hours yesterday in a volunteer teaching team applying<br>
prior Turtle Blocks learning to Lego WeDo kits. Mixed class of three<br>
different grades, in a remote school. The class teacher stayed<br>
involved, so we've got useful knowledge transfer happening. Being in<br>
the southern hemisphere, I'll have students during those months, but<br>
it's only part time.<br>
<br>
> Thanks!<br>
> Jeff<br>
<br>
-- <br>
James Cameron<br>
<a href="http://quozl.netrek.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://quozl.netrek.org/</a><br>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div>Sorry to be late on this thread. Busy work week.</div><div><br></div><div>Jeff, great to have you back in the fold.</div><div><br></div><div>James, I may have a patch (if I can find it) to the WeDo activity that I used to maintain with a major speed up. I'll try to dig it up. Or were you using the WeDo plugin?</div><div><br></div><div>regards.</div><div><br></div><div>-walter</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font><font>Walter Bender</font></font><br><font><font>Sugar Labs</font></font></div><div><font><a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><font>http://www.sugarlabs.org</font></a></font><br><a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><font></font></a><br></div></div></div></div>