<div dir="auto">Hi Jeff, <div dir="auto"> </div><div dir="auto">The screenshot you sent shows the neighborhood view and not the home view, try using F3 to switch to the home view where you'll see the activities. </div></div> <div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 16, 2019, 1:48 PM Jeff Elkner <<a href="mailto:jeff.elkner@gmail.com">jeff.elkner@gmail.com</a>> wrote: </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">OK, progress. Pressing F6 lets me select the Desktop, but activities are not showing (see screenshot). In the instant that the Desktop displayed before switching to the journal, I saw at least 4 activities. I'd also like to check-in that what I am doing is useful to the community, and that we are on the same page. Here are my assumed goals: 1. Raspberry Pi's running Raspbian (with Debian desktops in general as a wonderful side effect) as the target platform. 2. A *truly* beginner friendly installation recipe that leads to a working Sugar desktop on Raspbian. Once we have that available, I could begin to promote Sugar as a learning platform within my school district, developing OER educational curricula for it. I feel like we have a timely opportunity. Python has won the day, and after years (I started using Python in 1999) of being somewhat of a pariah within my school system for my insistence on teaching with it, I now actually look prescient and am sought after for advice. So if we can get a working system together, I think I could round up both students and staff to contribute, helping to grow the Sugar community. Cheers, Jeff Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world! On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 8:24 AM James Cameron <<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">quozl@laptop.org</a>> wrote: > > It's a problem with Metacity, which is ignoring the Journal's request > to be iconified. > > Press the F3 key. > > Or press the F6 key then click on the home view icon. > > Or put the mouse on the edge (difficult in a typical VM). > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 08:08:26AM -0400, Jeff Elkner wrote: > > Hi James and Alex, > > > > I've setup a VM with Sid and ran: > > > > $ sudo apt install sugar sucrose lightdm > > > > which gave me the same problem I had on testing - I only see the > > journal and can't find the main Sugar desktop window (note: I did see > > it flash briefly on the screen before it disappeared). > > > > I've attached two package_list files that come from running: > > > > $ dpkg -l | grep sugar > package_llst.txt > > > > and > > > > $ dpkg -l | grep sucrose > package_llst2.txt > > > > Please let me know what I should do next. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jeff > > > > Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world! > > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:48 AM James Cameron <<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">quozl@laptop.org</a>> wrote: > > > > > > python-sugar3_0.112-3 has migrated to testing just now. > > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 10:56:03AM -0700, Alex Perez wrote: > > > > Jeff, > > > > > > > > Most, if not all, of the Sugar-specific bugs that are present in Debian > > > > should be fixed if you use the "0.112-3" (the 3 is critically important) > > > > Debian packages from the _unstable_ Debian repo. They have not yet been > > > > promoted to testing, and will likely not be included in Debian 10 when it is > > > > released, as it is late in the package freeze process. > > > > > > > > So, you have a few options here...the easiest thing to do would be to run an > > > > entire "unstable" install of Debian, since you will get these packages by > > > > default, but otherwise, you have to configure Apt with the unstable repo, > > > > and then use package pinning. This is documented at <a href="https://serverfault.com/questions/371383/install-whitelist-of-packages-using-unstable-in-debian" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://serverfault.com/questions/371383/install-whitelist-of-packages-using-unstable-in-debian</a>. > > > > > > > > See <a href="https://packages.debian.org/buster/sucrose" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://packages.debian.org/buster/sucrose</a> for a list of these packages, > > > > and <a href="https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#Installation" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#Installation</a> can explain how to > > > > enable the unstable apt repo on a stable or testing install. > > > > > > > > This may also be of use <a href="https://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing</a> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Elkner wrote on 5/15/19 9:54 AM: > > > > > Great to meet you (virtually), Alex and James. I'm a high school / > > > > > community college teacher in Arlington, Virginia who was an early > > > > > member of the OLPC community here in the DC area. I run Debian in my > > > > > classroom and would very much be interested in using the Sugar desktop > > > > > to work on that platform. It doesn't currently seem to work. I don't > > > > > have the capacity to fix it myself, but I can provide reliable testing > > > > > and feedback in an educational setting should that be of use to you. > > > > > I'm hoping to rejoin the Sugar community once it is in a state where > > > > > it can be used both in my classroom and on Raspberry Pi's. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > Jeff Elkner > > > > > Arlington Career Center > > > > > Arlington, VA > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 12:39 PM Samson Goddy <<a href="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">samsongoddy@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Alex and James, > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you both miss this thread. Can you please guide Jeff on how to get started? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 10, 2019, 8:14 AM Jeff Elkner <<a href="mailto:jeff.elkner@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jeff.elkner@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sugar Labs Devs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a high school / community college computer science teacher in > > > > > > > Arlington Virginia who was an active member of the OLPC project for > > > > > > > years and who would like to rejoin the community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am convinced being able to run the Sugar desktop on the same > > > > > > > underlying OS (Debian) as Raspbian uses is the key to that working for > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried creating a basic buster install and then running: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $ sudo apt install sugar sucrose lightdm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The result is not a usable Sugar installation. I am most eager to > > > > > > > participate as a tester, power user, and curriculum developer, but I > > > > > > > need to start with a working system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff Elkner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world! > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > James Cameron > > > <a href="http://quozl.netrek.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://quozl.netrek.org/</a> > > > ii gir1.2-sugarext-1.0 0.112-3 amd64 Sugar Learning Platform - toolkit GObject introspection > > ii libsugarext-data 0.112-3 all Sugar Learning Platform - toolkit common files > > ii libsugarext0:amd64 0.112-3 amd64 Sugar Learning Platform - toolkit runtime library > > ii python-sugar3 0.112-3 all Sugar Learning Platform - toolkit Python bindings > > ii sugar-browse-activity 203-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - web browsing activity > > ii sugar-calculate-activity 45-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - calculation activity > > ii sugar-chat-activity 85-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - text chatting activity > > ii sugar-icon-theme 0.112-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - icon theme > > ii sugar-imageviewer-activity 64-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - image viewing activity > > ii sugar-jukebox-activity 34-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - music jukebox activity > > ii sugar-log-activity 39-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - log viewing and reporting activity > > ii sugar-pippy-activity 72~dfsg-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - Python programming activity > > ii sugar-read-activity 121-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - document viewer activity > > ii sugar-session 0.112-6 all Sugar Learning Platform - window manager > > ii sugar-terminal-activity 45.4-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - terminal emulation activity > > ii sugar-themes 0.112-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - artwork > > ii sugar-write-activity 100-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - writing activity > > > > ii sucrose 0.112-6 all Sugar Learning Platform - Sucrose > > > -- > James Cameron > <a href="http://quozl.netrek.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://quozl.netrek.org/</a> _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> </blockquote></div>