<div dir="auto">Hi Tony,<div dir="auto"> </div><div dir="auto">I agree with you. Are you coming to Pycon?</div><div dir="auto"> </div><div dir="auto"> </div><div dir="auto">Regards</div></div> <div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 9:55 AM Tony Anderson <<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>> wrote: </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">What Sugar Labs needs to survive is users. If our count of active users reaches zero, there will be no need for developers (or Sugar Labs). A Conference like PyCon is an opportunity to show that Sugar is a viable educational platform. So marketing does not need to be concerned about $, it needs to be concerned about the characteristics of Sugar that make it an attractive option for educators. At such a conference it is possible to make presentations - ofen there is an educational track. More importantly there is an opportunity to have an exhibit (booth). This booth can provide many examples of Sugar running on platforms other than the XO (make sure there some XO pictures visible since this attracts interest to a booth.) Sugarizer can demonstrate that Sugar is available for smartphones, tablets and other devices. Sugar can show its capabilities on Ubuntu, Raspbian. Windows is a special case since Miccrosoft has been able to lock educators into Windows. Showing that Sugar is viable in a Windows-based deployment may be beyond our current cabability. Our goal should be to attract new contributors and to find new deployment opportunities. Tony On 4/15/19 2:28 PM, James Cameron wrote: > You've all had an interesting discussion. I'll add my points now; in > the form of questions and answers. > > > Q: are there funds available for marketing? > > A: in motion 2019-01 on 4th January, the Oversight Board preserved the > GSoC 2018 mentor stipends for marketing, > > > Q: are there any other funds available for marketing? > > A: yes, the Oversight Board could spend up to about $90k, but such a > spend would have to have compelling justification. Swag isn't > compelling. > > > Q: have funds been spent on marketing? > > A: yes, the Oversight Board agreed to spend money on travel for two > members to PyCon 2019. > > > Q: how will the rest of the funds be spent? > > A: apart from reserving funds for marketing expenses relating to > SCaLE, and not yet applied for, the Oversight Board has made no other > decision. > > However, the board has received some marketing plans, has asked for > changes, and will hear any proposals. > > > Q: will a proposal or marketing plan have greater merit if it comes > from a team who call themselves marketing? > > A: no, because; > > - the Oversight Board has not formed a marketing team, > > - our original marketing team, who had people qualified in marketing, > left long ago, > > - the Oversight Board consist of developers or other subject matter > experts, can see a claim for legitimacy a mile off, and discount it > easily, > > > Q: but isn't there's a marketing team on the Wiki? > > A: it is out of date. > > > Q: but aren't there a whole lot of teams on the Wiki? > > A: it is out of date. Please work together with all of Sugar Labs, > don't look for a team. > > > Q: does the Software Freedom Conservancy control the funds? > > A: to a limited extent. The Conservancy will act on decisions by the > Oversight Board provided those decisions are legal and follow > Conservancy policies, so any marketing also has to follow those > policies. > > > Comment; > > Gathering more developers who are active is our key to survival as a > community. If our count of active developers reaches zero, there will > be a short delay and then something in the environment will change and > Sugar, Sugarizer or Music Blocks won't be usable. That is one of > reasons why we are engaged with Google Summer of Code and Google > Season of Docs. > > We have some people who are interested in helping but have yet to > learn the skills to contribute actively. I'd like to see that change. > Get started with programming, write new Sugar activities, fix > activities, and write documentation. > > > Q: what will happen if I do nothing except talk? > > A: nothing. ;-) > > > On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 12:58:14AM +0530, Sumit Srivastava wrote: >> Hi, Vipul, Jaskirat, and all members of SL community! >> >> These days I'm thinking about two things: >> >> 1. How to expand the SL developer community? >> >> 2. How do we move towards the vision for sugar labs that was discussed a few >> weeks ago in an email thread? >> >> As of now, I've some ideas for *1*, but need more inputs from everyone. Shall I >> start a new thread for new inputs? >> >> And yes, I'm constantly thinking about how can we make great things happen in >> the community. Glad that you noticed. >> >> Regards >> Sumit >> >> On Sun, 14 Apr 2019, 12:51 am Jaskirat Singh, <[1]<a href="mailto:juskirat2000@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">juskirat2000@gmail.com</a>> >> wrote: >> >> Thanks Vipul for taking this up, The funds that were granted by Google for >> GSOC ( I guess ) remains with the community and it is being controlled by >> SFC of which Sugar Labs is a member project. >> I see that Sumit initiated about swags, but maybe it might not have been >> made to move further due to absence of the budget proposal. >> >> So if anyone of us can try working on proposal for marketing along with a >> marketing team that would be great and would become easy for Board to >> review and add up their decisions. >> >> On Sun, 14 Apr 2019, 12:39 am Vipul Gupta <[2]<a href="mailto:vipulgupta2048@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">vipulgupta2048@gmail.com</a> >> wrote: >> >> Thanks, Jaskirat, I have also attached an email snippet regarding GSoC >> Mentor Stipends on Sumit's request that was reallocated to the >> marketing committee for making shirts, and stickers. I am not sure what >> is the progress of the same since then or the status? But looking >> forward to hearing from any GSoC 2018 mentors as to what happened to >> those funds. >> >> Cordially, >> Vipul Gupta >> [3]Mixster | [4]Github >> >> On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 11:56 PM Jaskirat Singh <[5] >> <a href="mailto:juskirat2000@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">juskirat2000@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >> >> Hi Vipul, >> >> Yes I would be at Open Source Summit Europe in France, It would be >> indeed to interact with communities/people for introducing >> sugarlabs and its productivity there. >> >> Thanks >> >> On Sat, 13 Apr 2019, 11:30 am Vipul Gupta <[6] >> <a href="mailto:vipulgupta2048@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">vipulgupta2048@gmail.com</a> wrote: >> >> Sounds like a plan! Thank you for your support, Jasikrat. I see >> you are planning to go for Open Source Summit, would you mind >> to be our spokesperson there. >> Maybe some opportunity comes from the Linux Foundation as well. >> I also wanted to start a discussion on the use of funds >> allocated for Sugar Labs's merchandise at the end of Google >> Summer of Code using the designs made in Google Code-In. >> >> Cordially, >> Vipul Gupta >> [7]Mixster | [8]Github >> >> On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 10:46 AM Jaskirat Singh <[9] >> <a href="mailto:juskirat2000@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">juskirat2000@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >> >> Hi Vipul, >> >> This sounds really good. I really appreciate you both for >> representing Sugar labs at PyCon. >> >> Well, I proposed somewhat same thing like Organising Sugar >> Summits in various countries, I am still in the middle of >> it to draft my proposal for the same. So once its done I >> will share here. >> And I think this is a good opportunity as well for us to >> represent Sugar Labs at such a great platform. >> >> Thanks >> >> On Sat, 13 Apr 2019, 10:32 am Vipul Gupta <[10] >> <a href="mailto:vipulgupta2048@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">vipulgupta2048@gmail.com</a> wrote: >> >> Hello folks, >> At the end of 2018, we started the Outreach works for >> Sugar Labs. At first, we thought of sharing several >> accomplishments throughout Google Code-In to keep the >> people in the loop on various social media platforms, >> as well as sharing experiences of Google Summer of Code >> students and their projects held in 2018 for a positive >> impact. >> >> We thought we can go bigger and with that thought in >> mind represent Sugar Labs on larger platforms in front >> of communities. I proposed PyCon to be a great choice >> for the same. Considering OLPC represented XO laptops >> being part of PyCon 2008 (An article by [11]Tony) >> Hence, we submitted a proposal for talks about Sugar >> Labs in the Education Summit of PyCon Cleveland 2019, >> and I am very happy to inform that we have in fact been >> selected. It's a great accomplishment for us all. >> >> Samson would be representing our community at PyCon >> Cleveland. I, unfortunately, due to my university exams >> won't be able to go. As much as I loved drafting the >> proposal with Samson and be would like to meet and talk >> about Sugar Labs, I am happy that Samson has a chance >> to be at PyCon and will do great. We are still raw in >> your efforts and have lots to improve. Would love to >> have more suggestions on things we should be doing, and >> also planning to hold workshops regarding Sugar in many >> countries in the near future. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Cordially, >> Vipul Gupta >> [12]Mixster | [13]Github >> _______________________________________________ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> [14]<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >> [15]<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> [16]<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >> [17]<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> >> >> References: >> >> [1] mailto:<a href="mailto:juskirat2000@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">juskirat2000@gmail.com</a> >> [2] mailto:<a href="mailto:vipulgupta2048@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">vipulgupta2048@gmail.com</a> >> [3] <a href="https://mixstersite.wordpress.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mixstersite.wordpress.com/</a> >> [4] <a href="https://github.com/vipulgupta2048" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/vipulgupta2048</a> >> [5] mailto:<a href="mailto:juskirat2000@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">juskirat2000@gmail.com</a> >> [6] mailto:<a href="mailto:vipulgupta2048@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">vipulgupta2048@gmail.com</a> >> [7] <a href="https://mixstersite.wordpress.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mixstersite.wordpress.com/</a> >> [8] <a href="https://github.com/vipulgupta2048" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/vipulgupta2048</a> >> [9] mailto:<a href="mailto:juskirat2000@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">juskirat2000@gmail.com</a> >> [10] mailto:<a href="mailto:vipulgupta2048@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">vipulgupta2048@gmail.com</a> >> [11] <a href="http://www.olpcnews.com/use_cases/technology/pycon_2008_and_olpc.html" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.olpcnews.com/use_cases/technology/pycon_2008_and_olpc.html</a> >> [12] <a href="https://mixstersite.wordpress.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mixstersite.wordpress.com/</a> >> [13] <a href="https://github.com/vipulgupta2048" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/vipulgupta2048</a> >> [14] mailto:<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >> [15] <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> >> [16] mailto:<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >> [17] <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> </blockquote></div>