<div dir="ltr"><div>Hello James, Thank you for the warm welcome, I am currently reading the documentation you have sent. Image recognition seems interesting, but shall we fill the blanks? </div><div>Should the activity for example show different pictures of cars, cups and other things, the children should then choose which picture goes to which category, then they test it on other images and if it should succeed in recognizing it? And the initially 0 knowledge model learns incrementally? This could be done by a score for how many new pictures the Model was able to recognize and each level the children pass they go to a new threshold or level repeat and so on.</div><div>Problems I see here is: I am not familiar enough with image recognition ML field in particular, but shouldn't the model take many pictures in order to be capable enough? If so it would be tiresome for children to arrange all the pictures.</div><div> </div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 07:49, <<a href="mailto:sugar-devel-request@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel-request@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>> wrote: </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Sugar-devel mailing list submissions to <a href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a href="mailto:sugar-devel-request@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">sugar-devel-request@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a href="mailto:sugar-devel-owner@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">sugar-devel-owner@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Sugar-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Expressing Interest GSoC (James Cameron) 2. Re: A problem of "No module named..." when trying to run an activity which uses GTK (James Cameron) 3. Re: Regarding port to python 3 project (James Cameron) 4. Re: GSOC19 proposal (James Cameron) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:56:56 +1100 From: James Cameron <<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a>> To: <a href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Expressing Interest GSoC Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20190327045656.GN13742@laptop.org" target="_blank">20190327045656.GN13742@laptop.org</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Welcome Ahmed, Further information about how Sugar works for children can be found in the documentation <a href="https://help.sugarlabs.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://help.sugarlabs.org/</a> You can also find more about Sugarizer on the <a href="https://sugarizer.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://sugarizer.org/</a> site. Machine Learning is difficult to fit into elementary teaching, as it is such a narrow and rapidly changing field, with a large base of prerequisite knowledge. Yes, there were ideas about Machine Learning, my previous post gave a link to <a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/issues/16" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/issues/16</a> Think of a lesson plan for how a teacher could explain Machine Learning to a child of nine years of age, without treating it as a "black box" concept? Each week I teach a class of about 12 children, and they don't need to know about Machine Learning or Artificial Intelligence in order to use the products that depend on it. It is often enough to say that it is practical mathematics and logic; which is a deferral. On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 09:21:09AM +0200, Ahmed ElSabbagh wrote: > Hello Sugar Developers, > I am a student looking for ideas for google Google Summer of Code. > Your SugarLabs have caught my attention but I find it difficult to understand > how it works in general as not many tutorials are available. > I am fairly experienced in writing Python and I wish if possible to create a > new activity for Machine Learning in Sugar. > Where could I possibly start and are there any specific ideas for ML > applications already in your mind for implementation. > Regards, > AHS > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> -- James Cameron <a href="http://quozl.netrek.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://quozl.netrek.org/</a> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:02:59 +1100 From: James Cameron <<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a>> To: <a href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] A problem of "No module named..." when trying to run an activity which uses GTK Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20190327050259.GO13742@laptop.org" target="_blank">20190327050259.GO13742@laptop.org</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Yes, Ashish Kumar made a commit which I merged as 0c53e0b, but you're talking about a different issue, for porting to Python 3 and you've made changes in ce7a724 ... but now I'm confused, because it doesn't look like this commit was a complete port to Python 3, yet it is not marked as a draft pull request. <a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/math-hurdler/pull/2/commits/ce7a724b7c3ba5f03d0b33eec0774dd08cebb5e4" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/sugarlabs/math-hurdler/pull/2/commits/ce7a724b7c3ba5f03d0b33eec0774dd08cebb5e4</a> <a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/math-hurdler/pull/2" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/sugarlabs/math-hurdler/pull/2</a> See our Python 3 Porting Guide <a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/python-porting-guide.md" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/python-porting-guide.md</a> My tests were with Python 2. We will have Python 2 systems in use for quite a while. On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 04:17:39PM +0530, kushagra nigam wrote: > Oh it seems like the activity has been fixed already, Sorry about that mail. > > On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 15:55, kushagra nigam <[1]<a href="mailto:kushagra1998@gmail.com" target="_blank">kushagra1998@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > > As you guys were discussing about the math hurdler activity, this activity > was built in python2 hence needed minute fixes to convert into python3. I > did the fixes and created a pull request. Now math_hurdler.py works fine. > Rushabh I did not check the activity thing, it needs some of the filename > changes. Please look into it. > > Sincerely > Kushagra Nigam > [2]<a href="mailto:kushagra1998@gmail.com" target="_blank">kushagra1998@gmail.com</a> > > On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 04:06, James Cameron <[3]<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a>> wrote: > > Thanks. No, I'm not running the activity from the Terminal. I'm > running it the way a child learner would run it; from the Home View. > If you're not familiar with the user experience of Sugar, please read > through our documentation; > > [4]<a href="https://help.sugarlabs.org/en/sugar_ui.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://help.sugarlabs.org/en/sugar_ui.html</a> > [5]<a href="https://help.sugarlabs.org/en/home_view.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://help.sugarlabs.org/en/home_view.html</a> > > How did you fall into this trap; is there some other documentation we > need to change? Let us know! > > When I said "I'm not sure if the activity was finished before it was > added to the Wiki" I'm suggesting that the activity was not finished, > and so you are having to fix problems because the original developers > did not complete their work. You used the Wiki to find the activity, > and so you may have found an unfinished activity. Very brave! > > Regarding the "Create a new set of activities" idea, you should > research to appreciate the breadth and scope of the existing > activities so that you can avoid suggesting an activity we might > already have. > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 09:36:43PM +0530, Rushabh Vasani wrote: > > Hello ! > > I was not getting this kind of any error. > > Are you running your activity from terminal with the command " ./ > > math-hurdler.py " after cloning it? > > Or you are doing something else ? I was running it from the terminal > and a > > simple pygame window was opening. Even I just tried it once again so > that I can > > give you right description . I don't know if there is another way to > run the > > activity .Please tell me if there is . > > And I don't understood what do you exactly mean by " I'm not sure if > the > > activity was finished before it was added to the Wiki. " > > > > And another question I have for the activity " Create a new set of > activities " > > is that , > > I am planing the activities which I want to create in this three > months So > > should there be 12-15 small small activities or 4-5 very nice and > bigger > > activities for that . I personally would like to create bigger > activities which > > can make a big difference in the skills of students.But I'll plan the > > activities as you say. > > Thank you. > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 9:26 AM James Cameron <[1][6]<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > > wrote: > > > > Thanks. That's interesting. The page is automatically generated > from > > new pages added to the Wiki. I hadn't thought to check there for > new > > activities. > > > > The problem with Math Hurdler at the moment (ff8a15d) is that it > does > > not start in Sugar. A message appears "Math Hurdler failed to > start." > > Logs show this; > > > > 1553485563.457917 WARNING root: Activity bundle > > /home/guest/Activities/MathHurdler.activity does not specify a > license > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/bin/sugar-activity", line 5, in <module> > > activityinstance.main() > > File > > "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/sugar3/activity/ > activityinstance.py", > > line 178, in main > > module = __import__(module_name) > > ImportError: No module named MathHurdlerActivity > > Exited with status 1, pid 1371 data (<open file '<fdopen>', mode > 'w' > > at 0x7fcb9b4c2540>, 'fa4da9b8c4c2eb36f0863d5cbadc72295a506524') > > > > Cause is mismatch between exec in [2][7]<a href="http://activity.info" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">activity.info</a> and class > name in > > source code. > > > > I'm not sure if the activity was finished before it was added to > the > > Wiki. > > > > By the way, your mail wasn't deleted. > > > > On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 08:40:28AM +0530, Rushabh Vasani wrote: > > > Hello James, > > > I actually found it on [3][8]<a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/</a> > Activities . > > > And after installing pygame it was finely working for me. In > fact the > > > activities that uses GTK are also working for me now and I have > sent > > another > > > mail for that containing [Sugar-devel] in the subject so > everyone can > > read that > > > and that's why I deleted the mail above.The problem with that > was that I > > was > > > installing packages in my anaconda environment and my editor > was using > > another > > > environment so I just installed the packages in that python > environment > > and it > > > worked for me. > > > > > > But for your problem can you please tell me the error which you > see while > > > running "./math-hurdler.py" . > > > Thank you and I am really looking forward to contribute in > another > > activities. > > > Thank you. > > > > > > --Rushabh > > > > > > On Mon 25 Mar, 2019, 6:55 AM James Cameron <[2][4][9] > <a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Rushabh, this math-hurdler activity is new to me. > How did you > > > find it? > > > > > > Perhaps Craig Cabrey is busy. It has only been four days. > Craig is > > > not a regular contributor at Sugar Labs. The activity may > have been > > > made by the FOSSRIT team at Rochester Institute of > Technology > > > [3][5][10]<a href="https://rit.edu/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://rit.edu/</a> > > > > > > I've forked the activity to [4][6][11]<a href="https://github.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/</a> > sugarlabs/ > > math-hurdler > > > so we can keep a copy of it. > > > > > > The activity does need GTK. It is mostly implemented in > PyGame. > > > > > > Is it working for you? I get an error on import. > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 11:35:39AM +0530, Rushabh Vasani > wrote: > > > > Hello everyone ! > > > > I am facing a problem of "No module named gi " and "No > module named > > > > sugar3.activity " when I am trying to run any activity > using GTK. > > > > I have solved an issue of an activity named math-hurdler > and have > > made a > > > also > > > > [1]Pull Request (Which has not been responded yet Because > the > > author of > > > that > > > > activity has not given the authority of that activity to > SugarLabs > > and > > > his > > > > GitHub profile is inactive from very long time.And he is > not > > answering my > > > mails > > > > also .) .But this activity was not using GTK so I didn't > faced any > > > problem > > > > there. > > > > Clarification is that I have installed GTK and all other > required > > > dependencies > > > > on my machine. > > > > I am facing this problem from last 2 days if anyone can > solve this > > the > > > help > > > > will be appreciated. > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Rushabh > > _______________________________________________ > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > [7][12]<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > [8][13]<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > > > > References: > > > > [1] mailto:[14]<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > > [2] [15]<a href="http://activity.info/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://activity.info/</a> > > [3] [16]<a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities</a> > > [4] mailto:[17]<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > > [5] [18]<a href="https://rit.edu/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://rit.edu/</a> > > [6] [19]<a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/math-hurdler" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/sugarlabs/math-hurdler</a> > > [7] mailto:[20]<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > [8] [21]<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > [22]<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > [23]<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > > -- > James Cameron > [24]<a href="http://quozl.netrek.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://quozl.netrek.org/</a> > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > [25]<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > [26]<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > > References: > > [1] mailto:<a href="mailto:kushagra1998@gmail.com" target="_blank">kushagra1998@gmail.com</a> > [2] mailto:<a href="mailto:kushagra1998@gmail.com" target="_blank">kushagra1998@gmail.com</a> > [3] mailto:<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > [4] <a href="https://help.sugarlabs.org/en/sugar_ui.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://help.sugarlabs.org/en/sugar_ui.html</a> > [5] <a href="https://help.sugarlabs.org/en/home_view.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://help.sugarlabs.org/en/home_view.html</a> > [6] mailto:<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > [7] <a href="http://activity.info/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://activity.info/</a> > [8] <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities</a> > [9] mailto:<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > [10] <a href="https://rit.edu/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://rit.edu/</a> > [11] <a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/sugarlabs/</a> > [12] mailto:<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > [13] <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > [14] mailto:<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > [15] <a href="http://activity.info/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://activity.info/</a> > [16] <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities</a> > [17] mailto:<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a> > [18] <a href="https://rit.edu/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://rit.edu/</a> > [19] <a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/math-hurdler" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/sugarlabs/math-hurdler</a> > [20] mailto:<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > [21] <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > [22] mailto:<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > [23] <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > [24] <a href="http://quozl.netrek.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://quozl.netrek.org/</a> > [25] mailto:<a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > [26] <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> -- James Cameron <a href="http://quozl.netrek.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://quozl.netrek.org/</a> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:12:15 +1100 From: James Cameron <<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a>> To: <a href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Regarding port to python 3 project Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20190327051215.GP13742@laptop.org" target="_blank">20190327051215.GP13742@laptop.org</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Port to Python 3 for gwebsockets was done in 2014, in commit 71e1e27. As part of releasing, someone will have to test it, fix it, and iterate. However, as gwebsockets is a dependency of Sugar, Sugar itself can be iterated over at the same time. See the python3 branch of sugar. We don't have a regular release schedule for gwebsockets as we lost the maintainer. On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 09:37:03PM +0530, aniket mathur wrote: > Are gwebsockets made fully compatible with python 3 and just needs a release or > some porting work is still needed to be done before a release. > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> -- James Cameron <a href="http://quozl.netrek.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://quozl.netrek.org/</a> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:48:47 +1100 From: James Cameron <<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a>> To: <a href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] GSOC19 proposal Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20190327054846.GB3223@laptop.org" target="_blank">20190327054846.GB3223@laptop.org</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Copy of proposal for our records. 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