<div dir="ltr"><img width="0" height="0" class="mailtrack-img" alt="" style="display:flex" src="https://mailtrack.io/trace/mail/9b20c9c3318479eeddf2741aa8bf08871eed6dfb.png?u=3420306"><div></div><div></div><div dir="ltr"><div></div>Thanks James and Alex, I've reviewed all comments and suggestions.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>For most of the suggestions, I found no alternate but to use IRC. My</div><div>idea was to see how many people are willing to move to Gitter, and if</div><div>it be helpful for new contributors.</div><div>I've observed this to the only criteria in my recent (radical) decisions</div><div>and they've mostly been poorly thought out, for us as an organisation.</div><div></div><div><br></div><div>I'm not in favor of keeping both Gitter and IRC, as it further splits the<br></div><div>community and introduces more problems than it will solve. I have no </div><div>personal preference for either of the two.</div><div><br></div><div>I currently have the channel <a href="https://gitter.com/Sugar-Labs">https://gitter.com/Sugar-Labs</a> setup on Gitter.</div><div>I'll let SLOBs and others make the final decision. I'm too young and</div><div>inexperienced to comment any further ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div>Rahul Bothra</div><div><br><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="m_2286377373509983294m_708223570145809769gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 8:40 AM Alex Perez <<a href="mailto:aperez@alexperez.com" target="_blank">aperez@alexperez.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">As an oversight board
member, for all the same reasons cited below, I am 100% _not_ in favor
of this proposal. It's a crude attempt at re-implementing IRC, and
despite being open-source, is effectively a proprietary service, which
there is no guarantee of continued support for. If you want to offer to
maintain a Gitter-to-IRC bridge, that's great, otherwise I think this
highly negative move. <br>
<br>
I guess the real question I have, which doesn't seem to have been
answered anywhere yet, is, why Gitter, specifically? There are other,
much more option options, such as Matrix, which have far more mature IRC
integration options. <br>
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<span>James Cameron wrote on 1/20/19 4:16 PM:</span><br>
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<pre>Thanks Rahul. Please add to the plan;
- critical people; identify the critical code maintainers and note
when they have engaged with Gitter.im on a continuous basis; in
particular we are yet to hear from Lionel and Ibiam.
- licensing; as an open source project within the Software Freedom
Conservancy, we should aim to promote tools that have a compatible
license. Devin said the web app is licensed MIT, but the service is
All Rights Reserved.
- inclusiveness of prior contributors; we have several contributors
who know how to use IRC, but are disinclined due to their age to
use the modern systems; how do we continue to include them?
- further division; every time we start something new, we divide again
the group of people talking, and the new group often forgets to keep
the old group informed; how will the non-Gitter.im contributors be
kept informed? I'm not asking about the IRC contributors, but also
people using GitHub, Wiki, Trac, Jabber, Pootle, and the mailing
lists.
- Code of Conduct; how to make this more obvious in Gitter.im?
Especially "If you come across a post that is in an incorrect forum,
please respectfully redirect the poster to the appropriate" (as has
happened already), and making sure to consult others.
I've briefly authorised and looked at Gitter.im, using Firefox on
Ubuntu, and have observations;
1. a significant increase in mail contact attempts by other projects
on GitHub; i.e. you'll get more spam, because people have coded things
to get to you through Gitter,
2. a daily mail message containing some of the notifications from
Gitter, but not all,
3. the display does not scroll with page down, page up, or arrow
keys, unless you first click in the message area,
4. it isn't clear how I can make a local log of the discussion,
5. the network demand is substantially greater than IRC; this is not
something we can expect to scale up into schools with poor networks,
6. the power and processing demand is higher.
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