<div>That's great, I'll keep an eye out for the release and we should definitely include Turtle/Music Blocks! :) <br><br>-Rishabh<br><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div> On March 4, 2018 8:30 PM, Walter Bender <walter.bender@gmail.com> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>Might be nice to include an instance of the Turtle/Music blocks server as well. We are preparing a new release of the server/clients over the next few days.<br></div><div><br></div><div>-walter<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 3:51 PM, Rishabh Nambiar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rishabhn@protonmail.com">rishabhn@protonmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div><div>Thank you so much for the detailed insight and the metrics, Tony.<br></div><div>All of this information will be extremely valuable for me while thinking of my proposal.<br></div><div>I'll dive into workload characterization and keep you posted as this is of interest to you, thank you so much for your time :)<br></div><div><div><br></div></div><div>Rishabh.<br></div></div><div><br></div><div>‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐<br></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div>On March 3, 2018 9:33 AM, Tony Anderson <<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" class="m_925698555544397966protonmail_quote"><div class="m_925698555544397966moz-cite-prefix"><div>This is exactly how the xsce server
      works so you may get valuable help from that community (xsce or
      iiab). <br></div><div><br></div><div>A continuing issue is performance of the server in a classroom or
      school. One metric is the number of simultaneous connections the
      device can support (a classroom of 40-60 is not uncommon).
      Response time to requests to the server can be limited by the size
      of memory, the speed of access to the sd card, or the processor
      speed. I would be very interested in the methodology you propose
      since that process would apply equally to the schoolserver. <br></div><div><br></div><div>One issue is to characterize the workload - how often does a user
      request a transaction from the server, what is the time between
      requests (when the user is reading the response to the previous
      request), how much processing is required for a request (e.g. a
      text search), how much information is required to satisfy a
      request (e.g. size of file download). So far as I know no one has
      attempted this characterization for a classroom. This load could
      be different for Sugarizer than for Sugar, but the effort would be
      valuable in any case).<br></div><div><br></div><div>Tony<br></div><div><br></div><div>On Friday, 02 March, 2018 11:16 PM, Rishabh Nambiar wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><p id="m_925698555544397966docs-internal-guid-0e43a464-e7d5-d3af-2723-9d4cb2d2bcc5" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" dir="ltr"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Hi everyone, <br> I had a quick chat with Michaël about moving forward
                with this GSoC project where he mentioned that the
                impact of the project should be discussed with the
                community:</span></span></span></span></p><div dir="ltr"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"></span></span></span></span><br></div><p style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" dir="ltr"><a style="text-decoration:none" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/055078.html"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(17, 85, 204)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><u>http://lists.sugarlabs.org/<wbr>archive/sugar-devel/2018-<wbr>February/055078.html</u></span></span></span></span></a><br></p><p style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" dir="ltr"><a style="text-decoration:none" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-February/055079.html"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(17, 85, 204)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><u>http://lists.sugarlabs.org/<wbr>archive/sugar-devel/2018-<wbr>February/055079.html</u></span></span></span></span></a><br></p><h2 style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:18pt;margin-bottom:6pt" dir="ltr"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><b><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size:16pt">Impact of the Sugarizer School
                  Box</span></span></b></span></span><br></h2><p style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" dir="ltr"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">An instructor walks into a
                classroom, equipped with a Raspberry Pi 3 or Zero W with
                a pre-installed version of the proposed Sugarizer School
                Box distribution that Sugar Labs will be working on.<br class="m_925698555544397966kix-line-break"> He/she simply connects the Pi to a power supply and
                instantly, a local WiFi network is set up, a Sugarizer
                server session starts automatically and they’re ready to
                go! <br class="m_925698555544397966kix-line-break"> <br class="m_925698555544397966kix-line-break"> </span></span><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><span class="font" style="font-family:arial, sans-serif">Students
                can log in to the WiFi AP made by the Pi and visit <a href="http://sugarizer.org">sugarizer.org</a> (any other fixed url) on their local
                tablets/laptops/phones. So any computer connected to
                this WiFi can use the Sugarizer client and any
                tablet/phone with Sugarizer apps will benefit from the
                collaboration and backup features on the server. All of
                these student devices will be served by the Pi Wifi AP.</span></span></span></span></p><h3 style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:16pt;margin-bottom:4pt" dir="ltr"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(67, 67, 67)"><b><span class="font" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><span class="size" style="font-size:14pt">Issues</span></span></b></span></span><br></h3><h4 style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:14pt;margin-bottom:4pt" dir="ltr"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(102, 102, 102)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">Processing Power</span></span></span></span><br></h4><p style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" dir="ltr"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">We’ll have to see how the Pi’s
                can cope with the load of serving multiple students
                along with the overhead of running a browser session for
                a client and the connected display.<br class="m_925698555544397966kix-line-break"> I have a Raspberry Pi B+ and a Pi Zero W at my disposal
                that I can use to test this so I’ll post the results of
                combining sugarizer-server and a WiFi AP soon. It should
                do the job as we will not be having too many students on
                one Pi.</span></span></span></span></p><h4 style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:14pt;margin-bottom:4pt" dir="ltr"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(102, 102, 102)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">Network Limitations</span></span></span></span><br></h4><div dir="ltr"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="font" style="font-family:arial, sans-serif"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="size" style="font-size:14px">It's a straightforward process
                to set up a local AP for the Pi with the
                sugarizer-server running but if there is a need for
                Internet connectivity, then we'll have to set up an
                Ethernet bridge to make this possible which is also not
                very complicated.</span></span></span><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(102, 102, 102)"><span class="size" style="font-size:14px"><br> </span><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt"><br> </span><b><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">UX</span></b></span></span></span></div><p style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" dir="ltr"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:14px">The setup process in a classroom
                should ideally just be connecting the Pi to a power
                supply. <br> Minor UX features like an auto-redirect to <a href="http://sugarizer.org">sugarizer.org</a> after connecting to the WiFi AP can be implemented</span></span><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size:14px">.</span></span></span></span></p><div dir="ltr"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"></span></span></span></span><br></div><p style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" dir="ltr"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:transparent"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial"><b><span class="size" style="font-size:16px">If anyone from the community
                  has any opinions or concerns about how any part of the
                  School Box experience should be, then that’d be
                  awesome.</span></b></span></span></span><span class="size" style="font-size:16px"><br> </span><span class="size" style="font-size:14px"><br> </span><span class="size" style="font-size:14px">Regards, </span><span class="size" style="font-size:14px"><br> </span><span class="size" style="font-size:14px">Rishabh
          Nambiar.</span><span class="size" style="font-size:14px"></span></p><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><pre>______________________________<wbr>_________________
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