<div dir="ltr"> <div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 4:21 PM, D. Joe <<a href="mailto:sugarlabs@etrumeus.com" target="_blank">sugarlabs@etrumeus.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 07:37:03AM +1100, James Cameron wrote: > Slack and Matrix are also popular. Since it is several links deep now, I'll surface this point I made in similar discussions elsewhere, for Sumit's benefit: "Every other option shares IRC's marked disadvantage of not being somebody else's favorite thing that a ton of projects use." Which is to say, why not Gitter? Because it's not Slack. Why not Slack? Because it's not Discord. Why not Discord? Because it's not Gitter. And round and round we go, expanding this ring to include as many chat systems as you can think of. See also previous discussion here: <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2017-September/054825.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2017-September/054825.html</a> and here: <a href="https://github.com/hylang/hy/issues/1357#issuecomment-331543249" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/hylang/hy/issues/1357#issuecomment-331543249</a> (that latter link is included in the former, too, but as with the quote from it, I'm unburying it) > Gitter has an IRC bridge; does it go both ways? This is a great question. Chances are, even if so, not very well. I have reluctantly acceded, in some situations, to the establishment of bridges between IRC channels and various other, newer, chat systems, mostly as a way of possibly helping bring in people already using those chat systems. I say reluctantly, though, because I do not wish to encourage the adoption of those proprietary systems, first, and second, because the bridges rarely work well. My approach is that, if someone wants to try to make one of those bridges work, and is willing to put in the time and attention to do it, then I'm OK with it. That said "putting in the time and attention to do it" requires a level of commitment to making it work and keeping it working we'd probably rather see devoted to other things. But if that's what one wishes to do ... <*shrug*>. This comes up often enough I have an essay draft sitting around about it all. For now, I'll just add this one new link I have to give some academic context to this discussion: <a href="https://flosshub.org/content/considering-use-walled-gardens-floss-project-communication" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://flosshub.org/content/considering-use-walled-gardens-floss-project-communication</a> -- D. Joe <div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"> _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> </div></div></blockquote></div> Well said. <div> </div>-- <div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Walter Bender Sugar Labs</div><div><a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"></a> </div></div></div> </div></div>