<div dir="ltr"><div>Thank you all that were present for the reactivation meeting for the Sugar Labs Design Team.<br><br>Gracias a todos los que estuvieron presentes para la reactivación del equipo de Diseño de Sugar Labs.<br><br></div><div>James, Tony<br><br></div><div>Thanks for your feedback.<br></div><div><br></div><div>After yesterday 's meeting am trying to understand the current process for design ideas to become Sugar features.<br><br></div><div>I see many ideas from 2012 at <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Proposals">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Proposals</a> and not design features like "3G_Support" on the <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features</a> <br><br></div>Let's say for example a teacher on field suggests we should make downloading new activities easy and doable from the Sugar User Interface. What should the teacher do with his/her idea? <br><div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for helping me understand. <br><br></div><div>Regards<br><br></div><div>Laura V<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-09-22 0:04 GMT-05:00 Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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The first example appears to be generally PC related and have
nothing to do with Sugar specifically. I don't see any need to
abandon Sugar.<br>
The Google translation of the second unfortunately seems like a
rant and to have no specific proposal.<br>
<br>
What I think you need to convince us that there is a problem that
needs to be solved is to identify the problems and what you would
consider acceptable as <br>
a solution. <br>
<br>
Do you want to simplify the collaboration UI? Do you want to
simplify the method to switch between Gnome and Sugar? Do you want
to make backup of the Journal more meaningful? Do you want to
modify the recent addition of projects to the Journal interface? <br>
<br>
So far I have seen nothing about Sugar that even suggests what you
consider the problems with Sugar to be.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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On 09/21/2017 03:40 PM, Laura Vargas wrote:<br>
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Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tony@olenepal.org" target="_blank">tony@olenepal.org</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Could you provide an example of a
problem with the UI or UX that requires improvement and
could you propose a better way to handle it? <br>
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I like to think this team will deal with several<b> UI an
UX upgrading</b> <b>opportunities</b> for Sugar and
Sugar-Web. <br>
<br>
UI and UX Sugar and Sugar-Web Design meetings are proposed
as a continuous set of weekly meetings for open dialog,.
drafting proposals and coordination events of volunteers.
<br>
<br>
To integrate community is an important step to secure
evolving design during the libre software appropriation
cycle. <br>
<br>
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<div>I agree, we should identify specific requirements
and/or successful design experiences: <br>
<br>
[Example 1] One of many good examples we shall review is
the Obvious User Interface <a href="https://3fc9298e-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/djhbrown2/oui.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7cobW-oPdBQQLRXYoMaPM_BqO2hHLpawQ1KgyNMINUUtqLsy8iAzNfRcFC9lH791MpuFxmkaFU-hw44FN3w4zP918OZYu4YDPoLSs9X3YfcuBz-XMYQVNqCeYL1Y8Jff22E7vqqtCI3lDJBC_sxowmSju-uCQeSE8Y3PnuwaIprqfzrsEYsTgVf9pQNbFcv2jGzlqNmC&attredirects=0" target="_blank">"OUI" Proposal By David Brown</a>.
Although it lacks of mock-ups, he makes a clear
description on how to upgrade the Sugar UI or/and the UX.
<br>
<br>
On his implementation Suggestions David proposes: "Oui
could be implemented as the skin of an existing operating
system that already has automatic application search and
installation mechanisms so that new tools can be added to
the Library effortlessly by the user, without needing to
recourse to a terminal shell". <br>
<br>
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<div>I think is logic and long time due.<br>
<br>
This is feature was part of the "System Design" of the
Hexoquinasa - Sugar Network project back on 2011 and
current version was first implemented by Aleksey Lim and
Sebastian Silva latter on. By lighting or un-lighting the
moon icon placed within each activity/context's space, a
user with network connection would install/uninstall the
Activity.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Please find attached basic statistics of this feature's
use since deployed 2014-2017 and a second chart for 2017
only.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>[Example 2] Another important review and suggested
course of action was share today by Leonel Guillen in
Spanish:<br>
<br>
"Completamente de acuerdo con vos, el problema que ha
tenido sugar, es que no se ha visualizado como lo que es,
una gama de oportunidades para la educación. y no un
software para olpc. La mayoría de aplicativos que cuenta
Sugar tienen un gran valor pero se ve limitada a la hora
que lo asocias a un hardware, en cambio debería ya existir
el SUGAR EDUCATION, como distribución LINUX enfocada a
que, no me importa tu "tarro", me interesa la educación. y
así poder llegar a más regiones bajo el ideal de una
distribución para la educación primaria."</div>
<div></div>
<div>Here Leonel suggests us to visualize Sugar as a "Set of
opportunities for Education". He specifically suggests us
to deliver SUGAR EDUCATION as a GNULinux generic
distribution.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>I expect beautiful minds to join the Design meetings.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best <br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Laura<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">SugarLabs has decided to
participate in GCI which gives us potential resources to
tackle any of these problems which can be specifically
identified. <br>
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<div>+1<br>
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09/21/2017 10:20 AM, Laura Vargas wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Thank you for the
feedback and the instructions.<br>
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GMT-05:00 James Cameron <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">For the
proposed agenda [1];<br>
<br>
a. Upgrading Sugar UI; could you please
be more specific about what<br>
you want the design team to do? This will
encourage participation,<br>
although it looks like one of the design
team may be challenged by the<br>
date you have chosen.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Sugar Labs community
has made several efforts to keep Sugar
development packages up to date.<span id="m_-8970708963202139442gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-result_box" class="m_-8970708963202139442gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8970708963202139442gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-">
Unfortunately (for users) the design of
the user interface (UI) and the care for
the user experience (UX) has not been
significantly improved over the years.</span><span class="m_-8970708963202139442gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-"> For 5 years, the Sugar
design team has been dormant.<br>
</span></span><span id="m_-8970708963202139442gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-result_box" class="m_-8970708963202139442gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-" lang="en"><br>
<span>This is the trend I plan to reverse.
<br>
<br>
</span></span><span id="m_-8970708963202139442gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-result_box" class="m_-8970708963202139442gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8970708963202139442gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-">Sugar
Labs needs an active Design Team taking
care of Sugar UI and UX (</span></span><span id="m_-8970708963202139442gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-result_box" class="m_-8970708963202139442gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-" lang="en"><span class="m_-8970708963202139442gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-">affective
aspects of usage). </span></span><b><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><b>My proposal is to
reactivate the Sugar Design Team and lead
it to an upgraded Sugar User Interface and
Sugar User Experience.<br>
</b></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Our main focus needs
to be maximizing Sugar and Sugar Web
usability (understanding usability as the
degree to which Sugar can be used to achieve
quantified objectives with effectiveness,
efficiency, and satisfaction in a quantified
context of use).<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">Today's meeting will
be a first exploration of who is interested
in this matter and how we can all work
together. <br>
<br>
I'll try to call for a weekly Sugar Team
design meeting.<br>
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b. Elimination of gender selection [2];
remove this agenda item, as<br>
it is not a design issue. There is
already reasonable consensus that<br>
this should be eliminated and left as a
GSetting for any deployment<br>
that needs the feature, so could you
please make a pull request for<br>
code review? I never did like it myself,
but Gonzalo and Walter had a<br>
customer require it. That customer no
longer uses Sugar.<br>
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<div>Where the Sugar User Experience starts
is totally part of the Sugar User
Experience design. <br>
<br>
Design is not just about eliminating here
and there, we need to rethink the whole
experience from start to end so that
children really benefit from the Sugar
and/or Sugar Web experience. <br>
<br>
<div>That said for this case, I plan to
follow your procedure instructions.<br>
<br>
</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <br>
c. Modify main icons; remove this agenda
item, as it is not a design<br>
issue. As a patch already exists, please
port it to master branch,<br>
prepare it as a pull request for review
and merging. Being able to<br>
change icon shape as well as colour would
be a great improvement.<br>
</blockquote>
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</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">How the Sugar UI
looks like is also part of the Sugar
Experience design.<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br>
I'll keep this one also in the agenda just
because we need to be open to other
proposals for the "by default" main icon (s)
and/or the logic to define the initial icon
and define curse of action and responsible
parties to make the calls. <br>
</div>
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<div> <br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <br>
Please also add a [DESIGN] tag to the
subject, which is part of our<br>
mailing list policy for sugar-devel@ [3].
By omitting the tag, some<br>
design team members may have missed your
meeting announcement, and<br>
this would be unfair to them.<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
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<div>I did. <br>
<br>
Again, thanks for your feedback.<br>
<br>
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<br>
References:<br>
<br>
1. <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Meetings" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/<wbr>Design_Team/Meetings</a><br>
2. <a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/issues/770" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/sugarlabs/s<wbr>ugar/issues/770</a><br>
3. <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/lis<wbr>tinfo/sugar-devel</a><br>
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