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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Laura<br>
      <br>
      The first example appears to be generally PC related and have
      nothing to do with Sugar specifically. I don't see any need to
      abandon Sugar.<br>
      The Google translation of the second unfortunately seems like a
      rant and to have no specific proposal.<br>
      <br>
      What I think you need to convince us that there is a problem that
      needs to be solved is to identify the problems and what you would
      consider acceptable as <br>
      a solution. <br>
      <br>
      Do you want to simplify the collaboration UI? Do you want to
      simplify the method to switch between Gnome and Sugar? Do you want
      to make backup of the Journal more meaningful? Do you want to
      modify the recent addition of projects to the Journal interface? <br>
      <br>
      So far I have seen nothing about Sugar that even suggests what you
      consider the problems with Sugar to be.<br>
      <br>
      Tony<br>
      <br>
      On 09/21/2017 03:40 PM, Laura Vargas wrote:<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">2017-09-21 10:09 GMT-05:00 Tony
            Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a
                href="mailto:tony@olenepal.org" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">tony@olenepal.org</a>></span>:<br>
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              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Could you provide an example of a
                problem with the UI or UX that requires improvement and
                could you propose a better way to handle it? <br>
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              I like to think this team will deal with several<b> UI an
                UX upgrading</b> <b>opportunities</b> for Sugar and
              Sugar-Web. <br>
              <br>
              UI and UX Sugar and Sugar-Web Design meetings are proposed
              as a continuous set of weekly meetings for open dialog,.
              drafting proposals and coordination events of volunteers.
              <br>
              <br>
              To integrate community is an important step to secure
              evolving design during the libre software appropriation
              cycle. <br>
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            <div>I agree, we should identify specific requirements
              and/or successful design experiences: <br>
              <br>
              [Example 1] One of many good examples we shall review is
              the Obvious User Interface <a
href="https://3fc9298e-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/djhbrown2/oui.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7cobW-oPdBQQLRXYoMaPM_BqO2hHLpawQ1KgyNMINUUtqLsy8iAzNfRcFC9lH791MpuFxmkaFU-hw44FN3w4zP918OZYu4YDPoLSs9X3YfcuBz-XMYQVNqCeYL1Y8Jff22E7vqqtCI3lDJBC_sxowmSju-uCQeSE8Y3PnuwaIprqfzrsEYsTgVf9pQNbFcv2jGzlqNmC&attredirects=0"
                moz-do-not-send="true">"OUI" Proposal By David Brown</a>.
              Although it lacks of mock-ups, he makes a clear
              description on how to upgrade the Sugar UI or/and the UX.
              <br>
              <br>
              On his implementation Suggestions David proposes: "Oui
              could be implemented as the skin of an existing operating
              system that already has automatic application search and
              installation mechanisms so that new tools can be added to
              the Library effortlessly by the user, without needing to
              recourse to a terminal shell". <br>
              <br>
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            <div>I think is logic and long time due.<br>
              <br>
              This is feature was part of the "System Design" of the
              Hexoquinasa - Sugar Network project back on 2011 and
              current version was first implemented by Aleksey Lim and
              Sebastian Silva latter on. By lighting or un-lighting the
              moon icon placed within each activity/context's space, a
              user with network connection would install/uninstall the
              Activity.<br>
              <br>
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            <div>Please find attached basic statistics of this feature's
              use since deployed 2014-2017 and a second chart for 2017
              only.<br>
              <br>
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            <div>[Example 2] Another important review and suggested
              course of action was share today by Leonel Guillen in
              Spanish:<br>
              <br>
              "Completamente de acuerdo con vos, el problema que ha
              tenido sugar, es que no se ha visualizado como lo que es,
              una gama de oportunidades para la educación. y no un
              software para olpc. La mayoría de aplicativos que cuenta
              Sugar tienen un gran valor pero se ve limitada a la hora
              que lo asocias a un hardware, en cambio debería ya existir
               el SUGAR EDUCATION, como distribución LINUX enfocada a
              que, no me importa tu "tarro", me interesa la educación. y
              así poder llegar a más regiones bajo el ideal de una
              distribución para la educación primaria."</div>
            <div>​</div>
            <div>Here Leonel suggests us to visualize Sugar as a "Set of
              opportunities for Education". He specifically suggests us
              to deliver SUGAR EDUCATION as a GNULinux generic
              distribution.<br>
              <br>
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            <div>I expect beautiful minds to join the Design meetings.<br>
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            <div>Best <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div>Laura<br>
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              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">SugarLabs has decided to
                participate in GCI which gives us potential resources to
                tackle any of these problems which can be specifically
                identified. <br>
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            <div>+1<br>
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                Tony
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                    <div
                      class="gmail-m_-8984933601604354917moz-cite-prefix">On
                      09/21/2017 10:20 AM, Laura Vargas wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Good day James,<br>
                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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                        <div class="gmail_extra">Thank you for the
                          feedback and the instructions.<br>
                          <br>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">2017-09-19 21:04
                            GMT-05:00 James Cameron <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">quozl@laptop.org</a>></span>:<br>
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                              style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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                              rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">For the
                              proposed agenda [1];<br>
                              <br>
                              a.  Upgrading Sugar UI; could you please
                              be more specific about what<br>
                              you want the design team to do?  This will
                              encourage participation,<br>
                              although it looks like one of the design
                              team may be challenged by the<br>
                              date you have chosen.<br>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">Sugar Labs community
                            has made several efforts to keep Sugar
                            development packages up to date.<span
                              id="gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-result_box"
                              class="gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-"
                              lang="en"><span
                                class="gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-">
                                Unfortunately (for users) the design of
                                the user interface (UI) and the care for
                                the user experience (UX) has not been
                                significantly improved over the years.</span><span
class="gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-"> For 5 years, the Sugar
                                design team has been dormant.<br>
                              </span></span><span
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                              <span>This is the trend I plan to reverse.
                                <br>
                                <br>
                              </span></span><span
                              id="gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-result_box"
                              class="gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-"
                              lang="en"><span
                                class="gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-">Sugar
                                Labs needs an active Design Team taking
                                care of Sugar UI and UX (</span></span><span
id="gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-result_box"
                              class="gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-"
                              lang="en"><span
                                class="gmail-m_-8984933601604354917gmail-">affective
                                aspects of usage). </span></span><b><br>
                              <br>
                            </b></div>
                          <div class="gmail_quote"><b>My proposal is to
                              reactivate the Sugar Design Team and lead
                              it to an upgraded Sugar User Interface and
                              Sugar User Experience.<br>
                            </b></div>
                          <div class="gmail_quote"><br>
                          </div>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">Our main focus needs
                            to be maximizing Sugar and Sugar Web
                            usability (understanding usability as the
                            degree to which Sugar can be used to achieve
                            quantified objectives with effectiveness,
                            efficiency, and satisfaction in a quantified
                            context of use).<br>
                            <br>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">Today's meeting will
                            be a first exploration of who is interested
                            in this matter and how we can all work
                            together. <br>
                            <br>
                            I'll try to call for a weekly Sugar Team
                            design meeting.<br>
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                              b.  Elimination of gender selection [2];
                              remove this agenda item, as<br>
                              it is not a design issue.  There is
                              already reasonable consensus that<br>
                              this should be eliminated and left as a
                              GSetting for any deployment<br>
                              that needs the feature, so could you
                              please make a pull request for<br>
                              code review?  I never did like it myself,
                              but Gonzalo and Walter had a<br>
                              customer require it.  That customer no
                              longer uses Sugar.<br>
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                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Where the Sugar User Experience starts
                              is totally part of the Sugar User
                              Experience design. <br>
                              <br>
                              Design is not just about eliminating here
                              and there,  we need to rethink the whole
                              experience from start to end so that
                              children really benefit from the Sugar
                              and/or Sugar Web experience.  <br>
                              <br>
                              <div>That said for this case, I plan to
                                follow your procedure instructions.<br>
                                <br>
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                              c.  Modify main icons; remove this agenda
                              item, as it is not a design<br>
                              issue.  As a patch already exists, please
                              port it to master branch,<br>
                              prepare it as a pull request for review
                              and merging.  Being able to<br>
                              change icon shape as well as colour would
                              be a great improvement.<br>
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                            <br>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">How the Sugar UI
                            looks like is also part of the Sugar
                            Experience design.<br>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote"><br>
                            I'll keep this one also in the agenda just
                            because we need to be open to other
                            proposals for the "by default" main icon (s)
                            and/or the logic to define the initial icon
                            and define curse of action and responsible
                            parties to make the calls. <br>
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                              Please also add a [DESIGN] tag to the
                              subject, which is part of our<br>
                              mailing list policy for sugar-devel@ [3]. 
                              By omitting the tag, some<br>
                              design team members may have missed your
                              meeting announcement, and<br>
                              this would be unfair to them.<br>
                              <br>
                              Thanks.<br>
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                            <div>I did. <br>
                              <br>
                              Again, thanks for your feedback.<br>
                               <br>
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                              References:<br>
                              <br>
                              1.  <a
                                href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Meetings"
                                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/<wbr>Design_Team/Meetings</a><br>
                              2.  <a
                                href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/issues/770"
                                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/sugarlabs/s<wbr>ugar/issues/770</a><br>
                              3.  <a
                                href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel"
                                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/lis<wbr>tinfo/sugar-devel</a><br>
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                                  --<br>
                                  James Cameron<br>
                                  <a href="http://quozl.netrek.org/"
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                                    moz-do-not-send="true">http://quozl.netrek.org/</a><br>
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