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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi, Walter<br>
<br>
I'll try to make the meeting. Thank you for reminding us that
Sugarlabs is about providing improved educational opportunities
for learners.<br>
<br>
Tony<br>
<br>
<br>
On 09/18/2017 02:14 AM, Walter Bender wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM,
Walter Bender <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Would interested developers be available to
meet in IRC on Tuesday, 19 September, at 5PM US/ET (9PM
UTC) to discuss the Sugar release process? Given the
chaos of late, it would be helpful if we were all on the
same page.
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<div>#sugar-meeting <a href="http://irc.freenode.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">irc.freenode.net</a></div>
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<div>For background, I've enclosed the log from the most
recent devel meeting, 11 Sept 2017, where James Cameron
led a discussion about the then pending 0.111 maintenance
release:</div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">[07:32:46] -->
walterbender (~</span><a
href="mailto:walter@146.115.133.213"
style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">walter@146.115.133.213</a><span
style="font-size:12.8px">) has joined #sugar</span><br
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<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">07:55:00</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> a sugar 0.111
planning discussion opens on irc, will close in an
hour. ;-)</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:18:48</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> Quozl,
in #sugar-meeting?</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:19:15</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> no, here.
unannounced. gives anybody who uses irc continuously a
chance to comment. ;-)</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:22:29</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> Quozl,
My goal would be to continue to work towards easier
migration to Debian, etc. Not sure what outstanding
issues are looming there.</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:22:50</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> and to
make sure we are current with Fedora/GTK</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:23:22</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> In the core of
Sugar, such as the desktop, the toolkit, the datastore,
no issues. Also current with Fedora. Some issues may
arise with Wayland eventually, but they haven't been
clearly defined yet.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:23:49</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> I didn't
think there was too much to do on that front</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:24:39</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> we made
a bit of headway on GTK3 and GST1.0 this summer
(although not as much as I had hoped)</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:24:43</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] --> pikurasa (~</span><a
href="mailto:devin@209.6.193.250"
style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">devin@209.6.193.250</a><span
style="font-size:12.8px">) has joined #sugar</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
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<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:24:49</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> at least
turtle is ported :)</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:25:10</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> In theory,
yes. My experience with the Write activity flicker
problem, which underneath is AbiWord's Wayland code
changes breaking non-Wayland usage, is a bit of a guide
as to how things can break. Rest of the world moves
onto Wayland and anything not using it fully tends to
rot.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:26:17</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> So yes, not
much to do. I'm just wanting to recover from drought of
releases, and next month it will have been a year since
0.110.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:26:22</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> the
other issue is packaging</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:26:35</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> we are
seemingly a bit in the dark ages there</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:27:06</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> but an
area outside of my knowledge space</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:27:35</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> tincho
has learned a lot on his current day job and maybe able
advise</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:28:12</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> snaps,
flatpaks, and so on?</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:28:51</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> yes</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:29:00</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> our activity
bundle format does certainly lack secure authentication,
we're dark ages in that respect.</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:30:22</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> I think
flatpack atleast would carry the correct dependencies</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:30:40</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> i've been
avoiding the new bundling and packaging formats because
i've no use case for them myself. my usual output is
operating system images with preinstalled activities.
rishabh's raspberry pi image uses the same general idea;
his code just unzips the bundles.</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:31:41</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> yes, i imagine
a flatpak of sugar desktop, then one for each activity,
would be the way to go eventually.</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:32:08</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito's push
toward activities that can run independently of the
sugar desktop has relevance too.</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:32:37</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> yes. I
have not had much luck replicating his approach</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:32:48</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> but I
haven;t pushed to hard in that direction</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:33:23</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender>
pikurasa, FYI </span><a
href="https://github.com/walterbender/musicblocks/issues/726"
rel="noreferrer" style="font-size:12.8px"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/walterb<wbr>ender/musicblocks/issues/726</a><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:33:42</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> would
love your feedback</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:37:38</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> walterbender,
you keep saying that all you need to do is run
'sugar-activity' in your bundle dir ;-)</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:38:15</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> missed a
comma</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:38:20</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> walterbender,
you keep saying that; all you need to do is run
'sugar-activity' in your bundle dir ;-)</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:38:23</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> made it a
colo;</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:38:26</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> colon;</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:38:50</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> the way to
figure out what needs to be done on Debian side is to
test</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:39:27</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> Quozl, are
you going to lead a release?</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:39:29</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> i test debian
stretch and sid regularly. i'm fine with it at the
moment. ubuntu artful however is broken because of
their transition from lightdm to gdm3.</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:39:57</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito: nah,
i'm just gunna do it. not enough followers to have any
plans to "lead".</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:40:09</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> i've not had
much time to work on a newer Debian SugarBlend</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:40:27</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> Quozl, great,
doing it is leading ;-)</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:40:51</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <pikurasa>
walterbender: you want feedback re: UI I assume?</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:41:15</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito: i've
already got local branches and local release tarballs
for 0.111, and have pre-edited the Wiki, next step is
testing locally before i upload and announce.</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:41:26</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender>
pikurasa, testing first of all... does it actually solve
any problems?</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:42:25</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <pikurasa>
walterbender: I have not tested enough yet. I will let
you know once I have.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:42:49</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> Quozl, still
it would've been better for there to have been a freeze
etc...</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:42:50</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> a process</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:43:05</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito: no,
not better.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:43:16</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender>
pikurasa, thx</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:43:36</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender>
pikurasa, re drums, I cannot seem to be able to
reproduce the bug.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:43:37</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> Quozl,
remember to refresh pofiles from pootle</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:43:42</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito: sounds
more like automaticity. we did it before therefore do
it again. i don't see any need for all those extra
steps.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:43:51</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> maybe a
video so I can follow exactly your steps?</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:44:08</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <pikurasa>
walterbender: I can tell. I am really scratching my head
because it is so easy for me to reproduce. Happens every
time.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:44:30</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender>
pikurasa, I must be doing something different than you</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:44:40</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> i thought
freezes had a purpose. I've not even worked on Sugar
without a release schedule or a roadmap</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:44:42</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> or using
a different configuration of some sort</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:45:18</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito:
purpose of a freeze was coordinating multiple people;
unless you can show me multiple people i won't freeze.</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:45:37</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> Quozl,
another purpose would be to show signs of life</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:45:46</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> Quozl,
do we need any i18n work?</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:45:46</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito: no
thanks, that's an artifice.</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:46:22</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> walterbender,
of course we do</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:46:24</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> walterbender:
the only process we have for detecting i18n work is </span><a
href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org/" rel="noreferrer"
style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">translate.sugarlabs.org</a><span
style="font-size:12.8px"> <wbr>count of words not
translated; we don't have any way to know if the POT
file is updated in </span><a
href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org/" rel="noreferrer"
style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">translate.sugarlabs.org</a><span
style="font-size:12.8px"> <wbr>either.</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:46:48</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> Quozl, I
meant in terms of new strings for 111</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:47:00</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> I know
we have old work remaining</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:47:29</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] -*- pikurasa AFK</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:49:42</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> so we move to
release "when we feel like it"</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:49:51</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> it's better
than "when it's done" ;-)</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:49:55</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> walterbender:
yes, mostly Tony Anderson's Save-As feature.</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:50:18</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> Quozl,
OK. Maybe CJL can get the word out</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:52:26</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> Quozl, I
don't think taking over is the best approach</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:52:32</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> walterbender:
yes, that's what a 0.111 release will do.</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:52:35</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> i.e. if you
want to propose yourself to manage a release</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:52:46</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> then I would
think that's a good idea</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:53:48</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> but there are
guidelines and every release manager has followed them
more or less</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:54:00</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito: i'm
not able to promise to that depth, but i can release a
0.111 without unecessary cruft from old guidelines that
no longer apply, and nobody else has or will do that.</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:54:33</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> Quozl, I
support you! Just saying, lets cut the fat and update
those guidelines as part of the push</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:54:35</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito: i've
changed the guidelines so that many of them are
optional, as i do not think they matter when there are
no other active developers on the modules.</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:55:05</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> cool yes I've
seen you've worked on feature process</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:55:10</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> all for
trimming that</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:55:17</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> in general,
removing anything that doesn't really exist</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:55:50</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> </span><a
href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release"
rel="noreferrer" style="font-size:12.8px"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.<wbr>sugarlabs.org/go/Development_<wbr>Team/Release</a><span
style="font-size:12.8px"> is mainly what i'm talking
about, not the feature process.</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:57:14</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> thanks, one
hour discussion ends for me, back later.</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:57:39</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> do announce
perhaps there are others interested in your fork</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:57:39</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> ;-)</span><br
style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:57:42</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> Quozl,
thank you</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
<br style="font-size:12.8px">
<span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aBn"
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:58:43</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.8px">] -*- walterbender goes to make
dinner</span><br>
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