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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi, Walter<br>
      <br>
      I'll try to make the meeting. Thank you for reminding us that
      Sugarlabs is about providing improved educational opportunities
      for learners.<br>
      <br>
      Tony<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 09/18/2017 02:14 AM, Walter Bender wrote:<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM,
            Walter Bender <span dir="ltr"><<a
                href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Would interested developers be available to
                meet in IRC on Tuesday, 19 September, at 5PM US/ET (9PM
                UTC) to discuss the Sugar release process? Given the
                chaos of late, it would be helpful if we were all on the
                same page.
                <div><br>
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                <div>#sugar-meeting <a href="http://irc.freenode.net"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">irc.freenode.net</a></div>
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            <div>For background, I've enclosed the log from the most
              recent devel meeting, 11 Sept 2017, where James Cameron
              led a discussion about the then pending 0.111 maintenance
              release:</div>
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            <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">[07:32:46] -->
                walterbender (~</span><a
                href="mailto:walter@146.115.133.213"
                style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">walter@146.115.133.213</a><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">) has joined #sugar</span><br
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">07:55:00</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> a sugar 0.111
                planning discussion opens on irc, will close in an
                hour.  ;-)</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:18:48</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> Quozl,
                in #sugar-meeting?</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:19:15</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> no, here. 
                unannounced.  gives anybody who uses irc continuously a
                chance to comment.  ;-)</span><br
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              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:22:29</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> Quozl,
                My goal would be to continue to work towards easier
                migration to Debian, etc. Not sure what outstanding
                issues are looming there.</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:22:50</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> and to
                make sure we are current with Fedora/GTK</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:23:22</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> In the core of
                Sugar, such as the desktop, the toolkit, the datastore,
                no issues.  Also current with Fedora.  Some issues may
                arise with Wayland eventually, but they haven't been
                clearly defined yet.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:23:49</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> I didn't
                think there was too much to do on that front</span><br
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              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:24:39</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> we made
                a bit of headway on GTK3 and GST1.0 this summer
                (although not as much as I had hoped)</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:24:43</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] --> pikurasa (~</span><a
                href="mailto:devin@209.6.193.250"
                style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">devin@209.6.193.250</a><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">) has joined #sugar</span><br
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              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:24:49</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> at least
                turtle is ported :)</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:25:10</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> In theory,
                yes.  My experience with the Write activity flicker
                problem, which underneath is AbiWord's Wayland code
                changes breaking non-Wayland usage, is a bit of a guide
                as to how things can break.  Rest of the world moves
                onto Wayland and anything not using it fully tends to
                rot.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:26:17</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> So yes, not
                much to do.  I'm just wanting to recover from drought of
                releases, and next month it will have been a year since
                0.110.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:26:22</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> the
                other issue is packaging</span><br
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              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:26:35</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> we are
                seemingly a bit in the dark ages there</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:27:06</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> but an
                area outside of my knowledge space</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:27:35</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> tincho
                has learned a lot on his current day job and maybe able
                advise</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:28:12</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> snaps,
                flatpaks, and so on?</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:28:51</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> yes</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:29:00</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> our activity
                bundle format does certainly lack secure authentication,
                we're dark ages in that respect.</span><br
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              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:30:22</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> I think
                flatpack atleast would carry the correct dependencies</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:30:40</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> i've been
                avoiding the new bundling and packaging formats because
                i've no use case for them myself.  my usual output is
                operating system images with preinstalled activities. 
                rishabh's raspberry pi image uses the same general idea;
                his code just unzips the bundles.</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:31:41</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> yes, i imagine
                a flatpak of sugar desktop, then one for each activity,
                would be the way to go eventually.</span><br
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              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:32:08</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito's push
                toward activities that can run independently of the
                sugar desktop has relevance too.</span><br
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              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:32:37</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> yes. I
                have not had much luck replicating his approach</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:32:48</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> but I
                haven;t pushed to hard in that direction</span><br
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              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:33:23</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender>
                pikurasa, FYI </span><a
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                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/walterb<wbr>ender/musicblocks/issues/726</a><br
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              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:33:42</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> would
                love your feedback</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:37:38</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> walterbender,
                you keep saying that all you need to do is run
                'sugar-activity' in your bundle dir ;-)</span><br
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              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:38:15</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> missed a
                comma</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:38:20</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> walterbender,
                you keep saying that; all you need to do is run
                'sugar-activity' in your bundle dir ;-)</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:38:23</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> made it a
                colo;</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:38:26</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> colon;</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:38:50</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> the way to
                figure out what needs to be done on Debian side is to
                test</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:39:27</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> Quozl, are
                you going to lead a release?</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:39:29</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> i test debian
                stretch and sid regularly.  i'm fine with it at the
                moment.  ubuntu artful however is broken because of
                their transition from lightdm to gdm3.</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:39:57</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito: nah,
                i'm just gunna do it.  not enough followers to have any
                plans to "lead".</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:40:09</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> i've not had
                much time to work on a newer Debian SugarBlend</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:40:27</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> Quozl, great,
                doing it is leading ;-)</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:40:51</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <pikurasa>
                walterbender: you want feedback re: UI I assume?</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:41:15</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito: i've
                already got local branches and local release tarballs
                for 0.111, and have pre-edited the Wiki, next step is
                testing locally before i upload and announce.</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:41:26</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender>
                pikurasa, testing first of all... does it actually solve
                any problems?</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:42:25</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <pikurasa>
                walterbender: I have not tested enough yet. I will let
                you know once I have.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:42:49</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> Quozl, still
                it would've been better for there to have been a freeze
                etc...</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:42:50</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> a process</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:43:05</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito: no,
                not better.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:43:16</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender>
                pikurasa, thx</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:43:36</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender>
                pikurasa, re drums, I cannot seem to be able to
                reproduce the bug.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:43:37</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> Quozl,
                remember to refresh pofiles from pootle</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:43:42</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito: sounds
                more like automaticity.  we did it before therefore do
                it again.  i don't see any need for all those extra
                steps.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:43:51</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> maybe a
                video so I can follow exactly your steps?</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:44:08</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <pikurasa>
                walterbender: I can tell. I am really scratching my head
                because it is so easy for me to reproduce. Happens every
                time.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:44:30</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender>
                pikurasa, I must be doing something different than you</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:44:40</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> i thought
                freezes had a purpose. I've not even worked on Sugar
                without a release schedule or a roadmap</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:44:42</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> or using
                a different configuration of some sort</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:45:18</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito:
                purpose of a freeze was coordinating multiple people;
                unless you can show me multiple people i won't freeze.</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:45:37</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> Quozl,
                another purpose would be to show signs of life</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:45:46</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> Quozl,
                do we need any i18n work?</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:45:46</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito: no
                thanks, that's an artifice.</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:46:22</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> walterbender,
                of course we do</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:46:24</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> walterbender:
                the only process we have for detecting i18n work is </span><a
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                style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">translate.sugarlabs.org</a><span
                style="font-size:12.8px"> <wbr>count of words not
                translated; we don't have any way to know if the POT
                file is updated in </span><a
                href="http://translate.sugarlabs.org/" rel="noreferrer"
                style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">translate.sugarlabs.org</a><span
                style="font-size:12.8px"> <wbr>either.</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:46:48</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> Quozl, I
                meant in terms of new strings for 111</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:47:00</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> I know
                we have old work remaining</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:47:29</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] -*- pikurasa AFK</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:49:42</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> so we move to
                release "when we feel like it"</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:49:51</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> it's better
                than "when it's done" ;-)</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:49:55</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> walterbender:
                yes, mostly Tony Anderson's Save-As feature.</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:50:18</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> Quozl,
                OK. Maybe CJL can get the word out</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:52:26</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> Quozl, I
                don't think taking over is the best approach</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:52:32</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> walterbender:
                yes, that's what a 0.111 release will do.</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:52:35</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> i.e. if you
                want to propose yourself to manage a release</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:52:46</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> then I would
                think that's a good idea</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:53:48</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> but there are
                guidelines and every release manager has followed them
                more or less</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:54:00</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito: i'm
                not able to promise to that depth, but i can release a
                0.111 without unecessary cruft from old guidelines that
                no longer apply, and nobody else has or will do that.</span><br
                style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:54:33</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> Quozl, I
                support you! Just saying, lets cut the fat and update
                those guidelines as part of the push</span><br
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              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:54:35</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> icarito: i've
                changed the guidelines so that many of them are
                optional, as i do not think they matter when there are
                no other active developers on the modules.</span><br
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:55:05</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> cool yes I've
                seen you've worked on feature process</span><br
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              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:55:10</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> all for
                trimming that</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:55:17</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> in general,
                removing anything that doesn't really exist</span><br
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              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:55:50</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> </span><a
                href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release"
                rel="noreferrer" style="font-size:12.8px"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.<wbr>sugarlabs.org/go/Development_<wbr>Team/Release</a><span
                style="font-size:12.8px"> is mainly what i'm talking
                about, not the feature process.</span><br
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              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:57:14</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <Quozl> thanks, one
                hour discussion ends for me, back later.</span><br
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              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:57:39</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> do announce
                perhaps there are others interested in your fork</span><br
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:57:39</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <icarito> ;-)</span><br
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              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:57:42</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] <walterbender> Quozl,
                thank you</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <br style="font-size:12.8px">
              <span style="font-size:12.8px">[</span><span
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                style="font-size:12.8px"><span
                  class="m_4639930159126088651gmail-aQJ">08:58:43</span></span><span
                style="font-size:12.8px">] -*- walterbender goes to make
                dinner</span><br>
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