<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>But I intentionally gave the very simple examples...</div><div><br></div>While RHEL/CentOS (and many other open source/commercial hybrid projects) rebrand their free versions because a complete replacement causes obvious confusion, these projects themselves include many products with trademarked names.<br></div><div><br>Should Sugar refuse to include a Python(tm) editor? Or change programming languages because we proudly say Sugar is written in Python(tm)? <a href="https://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/">https://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Do we then go to JavaScript(tm) which is a trademark of Oracle(R)?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Or be confused with any number of products (shoes, hand lotion, etc.) which also have trademarks for the "Python" name?<br><br></div>Trademarks come into play primarily when there is confusion. And OLPC allegedly muddied the waters early on by allowing their name and logos to be used by OLPC France, OLPC SF, etc. <br><br></div><div>It's not clear at this point if there is confusion between Sugar Labs and OLPC over the logo, except as part of a historical reference which both companies have. <br></div><div><br></div><div>If there was clear proof that OLPC was using the XO logo to promote Endless then there might be something. If OLPC explicitly asked Sugar to change the icon, then that would be something to be considered.<br></div><div><br></div><div>OLPC's website, while updated, still promotes Sugar on XO-1.75's and the "XO Laptop Touch" (by specs, likely a XO-4).</div><div><br></div><div>Given we still know people at OLPC, and OLPC people who went to Endless, I would have expected to hear something by now if they formally wanted to break ties with Sugar.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Sebastian Silva <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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By this measure, are we implying that Fedora & CentOS cannot
be distributed because they contain trademarks owned by Red Hat,
and Ubuntu cannot be distributed because it contains the name and
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Your questions are spot on. Perhaps your examples will serve to
clarify the issue:<br>
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The point of CentOS is exactly to remove trademarks from Red Hat
Linux in order to be able to distribute it legally.<br>
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Quoting from Wikipedia CentOS article.<br>
<blockquote><i>`CentOS developers use Red Hat's source code to
create a final product very similar to RHEL. Red Hat's </i><i><b>branding
and logos are changed</b></i><i> because Red Hat does not
allow them to be redistributed.`</i><br>
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And I also know that, while you can distribute Ubuntu, you cannot
make a derivative distribution of it and call it
anything-like-buntu, or you will have problems with Canonical Inc.<br>
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Quoting directly from
<a class="m_-5783401123501716958moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy" target="_blank">https://www.ubuntu.com/legal/<wbr>terms-and-policies/<wbr>intellectual-property-policy</a>:<br>
<blockquote><i>`Any redistribution of modified versions of Ubuntu
must be approved, certified or provided by Canonical if you are
going to associate it with the Trademarks. Otherwise you must</i><i><b>
remove and replace the Trademarks</b></i><i> and will need to
recompile the source code to create your own binaries.`</i><br>
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As you can see, being this topic such a mess in general, Sugar Labs
would serve its community well by staying clear of any Trademarks,
as a general policy.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Sebastian<br>
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