<div dir="ltr"><div>Another unilateral action from Sebastian, and a unprecedented new low.<br><br></div><div>This "release" cannot be taken seriously.<br></div><div> <br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Christian Stroetmann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stroetmann@ontolab.com" target="_blank">stroetmann@ontolab.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hello Walter<br>
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I did not knew the history, so please dump my related points 1, 2,
3, and 4.<br>
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What I am wondering now is the fact that OLPC licensed its trademark
under the GPL, which from my point of view would mean that they have
given up its trademark rights already respectively it makes no sense
anymore to keep it in the trademark register because any other
entity could demand its deleting from the trademark register by
referring to this GPL licensing.<div><div class="h5"><br>
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Best regards<br>
Christian Stroetmann<br>
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<div dir="auto">Thank you for your synopsis. I think you make
good points. However, I think the situation is further
complicated by the fact that OLPC released Sugar Artwork under
the GPL prior to the creation of Sugar Labs. I defer to our
lawyer at SFC, to sort through this on our behalf. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 15, 2017 12:39 PM, "Christian
Stroetmann" <<a href="mailto:stroetmann@ontolab.com" target="_blank">stroetmann@ontolab.com</a>>
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I followed the discussion about the OLPC logo with great
interest. Sadly to say, I was already running out of
popcorn last month.<br>
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First of all, someone in this threat said the right things
about trademarks. I would like to add the following
points:<br>
1. The OLPC logo is a trademark and as long as Sugarlabs
has no written allowance to use it the alleged legal
problem exists indeed. But ...<br>
3. OLPC has tolerated the use since 2006 and did not
change its position after OLPC and Sugarlabs departed.
What is developing in this case is a so-called <span class="m_-2451421811339362602m_5503994225104115359sep"></span>customary right,
which means that Sugarlabs might already have the right to
use the OLPC logo. I would recommend that OLPC and
Sugarlabs get together, pay the fee together, and care for
the trademark against misuse together.<br>
2. Furthermore, one of the most important points when
handling an infringement of a trademark right is how the
broad public (e.g. 65% of a representative group as
accepted by a judge) interprets a sign/logo/trademark and
connects it to an entity (e.g. person, organization,
corporation) respectively is answering the question if a
confusion of the broad public between the trademark owner
and the trademark user does exist. The latter might be the
case with every logo that is an abstraction of the
Vitruvian (see da Vinci) in the case of the OLPC logo and
an abstraction or clipart of a foot in the case of the
Gnome logo.<br>
4. As far as I have noticed it, the OLPC logo is used as a
functional icon of the Graphical User Interface (GUI) and
hence it is covered by the GPL in an illegal way.
Sugarlabs is not allowed to impose any other license on
signs/logos/trademarks that it does not own, is not
allowed explicitly to use in this way, or has no copyright
for.<br>
5. I like the OX logo because it is a nice abstraction of
the Vitruvian and similar graphics. Nevertheless, an
alternative logo or this function that allows to select an
individual logo by the users might be interesting as well.<br>
6. As far as I noticed, there are children on this mailing
list, too, and everybody should be an ideal for them when
discussing and solving problems. Somehow, this does not
always work as it should do. ;)<br>
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Best regards<br>
Christian Stroetmann<br>
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<div>Thank you Sebastian,<br>
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This debug was long time due. Now Sugar can be
called "Libre" :D<br>
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I honestly didn't ever like the OLPC logo icon and
the new feet are very cute!<br>
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Sebastian Silva <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" target="_blank">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a>></span>:<br>
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<p>Hello Sugar friends,</p>
<p>I am assuming the responsibility of making a
new release of Sugar-Artwork package featuring
the omission of a Trademarked logo.</p>
<p>To avoid conflicts with incumbent parties, I
have not increased the version number, instead
I have tagged the release as 0.111-libre.</p>
<p><a href="https://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.111-libre.tar.xz" target="_blank">https://download.sugarlabs.org<wbr>/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar<wbr>-artwork/sugar-artwork-0.111-l<wbr>ibre.tar.xz</a></p>
<p><b>This release comes with a stern warning to
downstream distributors and users, that the
XO computer icon is trademarked and, in the
absence of a suitable (trademark) license,
it constitutes a risk to downstream
developers and deployments.</b><br>
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Regards,
<p>Sebastian<br>
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