<div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>+1<div><br><div>I don't see here a valid reason to change it.</div><div><br></div><div>The XO buddy is also the Sugarizer icon (used as icon on Stores). OLPC Inc is aware of that. I've discussed with them few months ago and they even promote it on their website [1]. So I don't have intention to change it into Sugarizer.</div><div>BTW anyone is free to fork the Sugarizer repo, replace the buddy icon by a foot, a panda, a smiley, a pile of poo or anything else and freely distribute it. I don't have any problem with that.</div><div><br></div><div> Lionel.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="http://blog.laptop.org/2017/06/07/sugarizer-bringing-olpcs-software-to-any-device/">http://blog.laptop.org/2017/06/07/sugarizer-bringing-olpcs-software-to-any-device/</a> </div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-09-14 2:48 GMT+02:00 Walter Bender <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">As probably most of you are aware, yesterday one of our community members unilaterally changed the xo-computer icon in sugar-artwork. The ensuing discussion about the change is in the github pull request, "Urgent fix logos", </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">[1]</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">The gist of his concern is that OLPC has a trademark on the XO artwork [2] and there was concern that we were infringing and consequently downstream users would also be infringing.</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">As Sean Daly points out, this is not the first time that the topic has come up [3, 4]. "<span style="font-size:12.8px">In the past, OLPC was amenable to the use of the xo logo in Sugar, but asked we not use it in marketing materials without a formal co-branding licensing agreement."</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Personally, I think that OLPC was explicit in making the Sugar artwork available under a GPL licence and that this is hence moot. But I am not qualified to make that assessment. Consequently, I asked Adam Holt, our SFC liaison, to raise the issue with the legal team. Tony asked us to consider the following questions:</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">1) Why is the XO logo included in the sugar-artwork repo now -- and does the SLOBs want to keep it there? </span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">2) Assuming the SLOBs want to keep the XO logo in sugar-artwork: what outcome would the SLOBs *prefer* to see happen? E.g., </span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">- Does Sugar want downstream users to be able to redistribute and modify Sugar's codebase with or without the XO trademark file included in the program? </span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">- Does the SLOBs want downstream users to be able to modify and redistribute the XO trademark image itself, or is that less important to Sugar? </span><br style="font-size:12.8px"></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">The answer to the first part of Tony's first question is that the XO logo was part of Sugar from the very beginning -- before Sugar Labs was split from OLPC. We've never changed it.</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Regarding the second part: <span style="font-size:12.8px">does the SLOBs want to keep it there? is something we need to discuss. Personally, I think it serves its purpose well -- a childcentric interface and it is "iconic" of Sugar. I see no reason to change it.</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Regarding Tony's second question, I would want downstream users to have as much freedom as possible: to use or not use the XO icon as they choose. However, I don't see the need to expand beyond the context of Sugar. If someone downstream wants to use the artwork for some other purpose, that is not our issue (although I that the GPL license would be the relevant determinant.)</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">What do others think?</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Note, I think we should defer the discussion of what we would use as replacement artwork until we resolve the current issue.</div></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">regards.</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">-walter</div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">[1] </span><a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/96" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">https://github.com/sugarlabs/<wbr>sugar-artwork/pull/96</a><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">[2] <a href="http://www.trademarkia.com/xo-78880051.html" target="_blank">http://www.trademarkia.com/<wbr>xo-78880051.html</a></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">[3] </span><a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2008-December/003059.html" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/ar<wbr>chive/iaep/2008-December/00305<wbr>9.html</a><br></div><span style="font-size:12.8px">[4] </span><a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2011-October/014245.html" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.<wbr>org/archive/iaep/2011-October/<wbr>014245.html</a><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="m_-4460087388629165685gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font><font>Walter Bender</font></font><br><font><font>Sugar Labs</font></font></div><div><font><a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><font>http://www.sugarlabs.org</font></a></font><br><a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><font></font></a><br></div></div></div> </font></span></div></div> <br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br> SLOBs mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:SLOBs@lists.sugarlabs.org">SLOBs@lists.sugarlabs.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/<wbr>listinfo/slobs</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br></div>