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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/09/17 17:17, Walter Bender wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I am not sure that this is really applicable to the
core Sugar interface. Pretty much everything on the home screen
is an icon and is clickable. Pretty much everything on the
activity toolbar is an icon and is clickable. The idea that
icons on a desktop or toolbar are clickable was perhaps a bit
unusual when we started, but it is pretty commonplace today. I
have a hard time believing drop shadows or color would make much
difference. Perhaps on some of the control panels or in some
specific apps there are places where "flat" is confusing users?</div>
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There are a number of confusing places such as the Home View toolbar
(the change between Icon and List view). Also, the buttons at the
bottom of Journal are hard to detect.<br>
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But these are all anecdotal. One interesting thing would be to build
heatmaps of user eyesight attention and to start from there, with
evidence.<br>
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Without evidence to support a design change, looks to me like we are
frozen in time to the taste of original designers. It remains to be
seen if it's possible to evolve.<br>
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I would say that in the last 10 years, the most common feedback is
that people think Sugar is monochrome. The benefit of sunlit capable
screens remains questionable (as much as I love them) and in any
case Sugar Labs is not in the business of selling them.<br>
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Which reminds me, do we have official permission to use OLPC's logo
in our Home View? James?<br>
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Although the intention to put the child at the center is solid
design, the XO logo has grown to signify a brand, so I think we
should change it, regardless.<br>
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Thanks<br>
Sebastian<br>
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<div>That said, adding some more color would be fine by me as I
don't think assigning the user colors to the activity icons
was every that meaningful (except as an indication that the
activity had previously been run) but it has constrained us
quite a bit in terms of icon design.</div>
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<div>regards.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 6:04 PM, James
Cameron <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">quozl@laptop.org</a>></span>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">A redesign
of the GTK+ theme to identify clickable objects would be<br>
welcome.<br>
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How? Just shading or bevels? Here's another idea;<br>
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I like how the frame looks with shading. I'd like to see how the
toolbars look raised.<br>
I can never figure out with our OptionButtons when they are on or
off, for instance; I'd add some hints for that.<br>
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Monochrome icon restrictions were needed to support the
monochrome<br>
sunlight readable display of the XO-1 through to XO-4
products.<br>
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With our new products with indoor displays, the monochrome
icon<br>
restriction may be lifted, although children with colour
blindness<br>
should still be considered.<br>
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When lifting this restriction, either contrast or reserved
colours may<br>
be used for identifying clickable objects.<br>
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On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 06:38:24PM -0500, Sebastian
Silva wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> This article, and the related research, made me
think of Sugar and how<br>
> sometimes it's unclear which parts of the UI are
clickable.<br>
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> It might be we're up for a redesign?<br>
><br>
> ;-)<br>
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> Sebastian<br>
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