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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">You are correct, about 75% of the
      activities on ASLO have identified repositories. Interestingly,
      there are 250 repositories on git.sugarlabs.org <br>
      which may be activity projects with no corresponding bundle on
      ASLO.  <br>
      <br>
      I reviewed the Pootle list yesterday and recorded the url to each
      repository in the spreadsheet.<br>
      <br>
      So the question is, when to go for the last resort? No harm is
      done by creating a repository from the bundle. <br>
      <br>
      Since I am traveling in the next two weeks, I doubt there will be
      time to work on this until after that. If the community wishes I
      can then create a wiki page with the list of these orphans. It
      would be essentially the list of 224 minus about 20 where
      repositories have been identified by you and others.<br>
      <br>
      Tony<br>
      <br>
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      On 05/24/2017 06:06 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Most activities certainly had a repository. 
        <div>I fully agree with creating repositories from bundles only
          as a last resource.</div>
        <div>Probably is better create a wiki page based in the  Pootle
          page and add all the project without a known repository,</div>
        <div>and other can help to find the most updated repository.</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>Gonzalo</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 6:22 AM, Tony
          Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">You repeat
            that a repository exists before an activity bundle. I have
            listed 200 activities (about 25%) of the activities<br>
            on ASLO that probably do not have one. Further, if the
            repository cannot be found - we need to go ahead with what
            we have.<br>
            No matter how the working directory is created, git init
            should be applied to create a repository and subsequent
            changes documented.<br>
            <br>
            If there is a problem with an activity, the github
            repository should have an issue documenting the problem
            pending finding the resources to fix it.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
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                Tony</font></span>
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                On 05/24/2017 02:29 PM, James Cameron wrote:<br>
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                  On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 11:23:25AM +0800, Tony
                  Anderson wrote:<br>
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                    Hi, James<br>
                    <br>
                    Thank for these details. I am trying to find out
                    what the standards<br>
                    are for these repositories.<br>
                    <br>
                    Tony Forster contacted me by private email to let me
                    know that<br>
                    textdungeon did not have a repository. Version 4 is
                    version 3 with<br>
                    the removal of<br>
                    <br>
                    import simplejson<br>
                    <br>
                    which causes an activity to fail with python 2.7.<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  Both of these pieces of information should be in the
                  commits; please<br>
                  rewrite them.<br>
                  <br>
                  Also, it should not be marked version 4 until you are
                  ready to do the<br>
                  later steps in the role of activity maintainer; tag a
                  release, make a<br>
                  bundle, and upload to ASLO.  As it stands now, there
                  is no version 4<br>
                  bundle in ASLO, yet the repository contains a version
                  4.<br>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                    .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                    In summary, in making a repository:<br>
                    <br>
                         * the commits need<br>
                                 --author<br>
                                 --date<br>
                                 --compiled files such as .pyc should be
                    deleted<br>
                          *git history should show each available
                    version when created<br>
                    from a bundle<br>
                          *delete MANIFEST<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  The delete of MANIFEST and the GTK+ 3 porting should
                  be commits made<br>
                  after the commit of the latest ASLO version; not
                  including any later<br>
                  version you release from git.<br>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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                          *add a .gitignore file (I understand this to
                    be the same for all<br>
                    activities)<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  No, it won't be the same.  It may have some patterns
                  that are common.<br>
                  It should have patterns for any files that may be
                  created by running<br>
                  or building the source.<br>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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                    Regarding thoughts:<br>
                             b) how is an installed activity to work
                    without these files<br>
                    in the bundle? How is source code for object files
                    kept in the<br>
                    repository (e.g.  box2d)?<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  It will work mysteriously.  How and where source code
                  is kept is up to<br>
                  the activity author.  My point is that you cannot
                  trust the activity<br>
                  author to have included source, and so a git
                  repository built from the<br>
                  bundle may end up being less useful for source control
                  purposes.<br>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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                             c) this is the goal. However, how do you do
                    this for an<br>
                    activity for which there is no repository?<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  Do this carefully and with the appropriate social
                  license; as part of<br>
                  taking on activity maintenance role for an activity.<br>
                  <br>
                  What Walter said, I agree with; paraphrasing now;
                  creating a<br>
                  repository from a bundle is a last resort action deep
                  inside a long<br>
                  process of maintaining an activity, which also
                  includes upgrading it<br>
                  to GTK+ 3, testing, and making a release.<br>
                  <br>
                  It isn't something to do first on <a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://github.com/sugarlabs" rel="noreferrer"
                    target="_blank">github.com/sugarlabs</a><br>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                    .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                             d) I don't understand you here. Any
                    developers will see an<br>
                    activity with a link to a repository. How is that
                    confusing?<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  Because the repository was built from the bundle,
                  instead of the<br>
                  bundle built from the repository.<br>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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                             e) A repository provides a standard way to
                    document problems<br>
                    that prevent the activity from working. Many
                    activities in github<br>
                    may not work at a given time in the development,
                    maintenance<br>
                    cycle. This has no effect until the bundle is
                    released to ASLO. We<br>
                    have a fact that there are many (about one-half)
                    bundles in ASLO<br>
                    that do not work. The best I can do is test and
                    write an issue as to<br>
                    why they don't work. As volunteers get time, they
                    can address the<br>
                    issues.<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  Where standard ways to document problems go against
                  code quality and<br>
                  maintenance in the project as a whole, then the latter
                  should win.<br>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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                             I am not a 'maintainer' on ASLO. This
                    permission would be<br>
                             helpful.<br>
                  </blockquote>
                  I was speaking of being an activity maintainer, rather
                  than only<br>
                  developer status on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://activities.sugarlabs.org"
                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">activities.sugarlabs.org</a>.<br>
                  <br>
                  The role of an activity maintainer is to accept
                  changes from others,<br>
                  test the activity, iterate with fixes, update version,
                  tag a release,<br>
                  make a bundle, upload to ASLO, upload to <a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://download.sugarlabs.org"
                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">download.sugarlabs.org</a>,
                  and<br>
                  field any questions that arise.<br>
                  <br>
                  I'd like to assess your capability in all those steps
                  before giving<br>
                  you any additional permissions on ASLO.  On the other
                  hand, I can't<br>
                  give you any additional permissions on ASLO because I
                  don't have them<br>
                  myself.  I'm not the one to convince on that.<br>
                  <br>
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