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    Hi, James<br>
    <br>
    Actually Sugar has files, directories and a command shell (Terminal
    activity). It is relatively easy to switch activities via the Frame.
    I say this from several years of experience developing on the XO
    (easier than using usb keys to move code to the XO to test). The
    fact that Browse does not support flex and the unique XO screen,
    programming for the XO requires testing on an XO. <br>
    <br>
    The issue is not to use Sugar for everything, it is to use the
    available computer for everything (XO). In general, the XO is the
    first computer our users have used and, aside from an Android
    device, the only computer available. While used desktops and laptops
    are available, the $100+ funds are not available.<br>
    <br>
    The 'current setup' you mention depends on ready access to the
    internet, something not available for at least 2/3 of our users. It
    is wrong to send a message to our learners that they cannot
    participate unless they have ready access to the internet <br>
    <br>
    It is a strength of Sugar that the source code is immediately
    available to the user without need of a repository (except access to
    activities not installed - a need supplied by a schoolserver). This
    allows learners to get into programming in a meaningful way using
    only what is installed on the XO. <br>
    <br>
    Tony<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/14/2017 11:25 PM, James Simmons
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAN6VRWzd-Utm1e+1AHEqWZ0XhFW3_KZdkihF7TGVK=tjYzPkkw@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">All,
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        <div>I only meant to make the manual actually tell where we
          currently put our code repositories, without rewriting the
          whole chapter. (I had hoped that a Google Code-In mentee might
          do that, but it didn't happen). The one piece of information
          that is still lacking is how to have your account added to the
          sugarlabs organization. That happened so long ago that I
          forgot how it happened. If someone could remind me I'll add
          that information to the note.</div>
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        <div>I haven't done any Sugar development in years but I do
          program computers for a living and I use Git in my day job.</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>Sugar has some good Activities to teach programming, but I
          don't think it is a great Activity development platform. For
          that you really need files and directories and a command
          shell, the ability to run Sugar as more than one user at a
          time, etc.</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>I understand the desire to use Sugar for everything, but I
          think it would always get in the way. You wouldn't expect to
          be able to develop an iphone app on an iphone, or at least I
          wouldn't.</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>If I wanted to teach Activity development to children I'd
          get some reconditioned desktop computers and install Fedora
          and Sugar on them. I have used nothing but reconditioned
          computers myself for years. It is amazing to me what you can
          get reconditioned on Amazon and elsewhere for around a hundred
          bucks. This is basically my price range for a "new" computer,
          and for that I can get a Lenovo or other quality brand with
          more than adequate disk space and memory. These computers are
          built for use in offices and have many years of life left in
          them. In Fedora you can run Sugar as a desktop environment as
          well as in a window. You can hook them up to a TV or a
          projector (something I remember many people wanted to do with
          the XO).</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>I don't see ASLO being separate from Git as a problem. I
          think of it like the production environment at work. If it's
          good enough to use it goes on ASLO. If not, it stays in Git,
          but I might push my code to the central repository so others
          could fool around with it.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Part of teach a child programming should be teaching him
          good work habits, and I think our current setup promotes that.</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>James Simmons</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Laura
          Vargas <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank">laura@somosazucar.org</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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                <div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">2017-03-14 7:13
                    GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a></a>></span>:<br>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote"><span>On Tue, Mar 14,
                              2017 at 12:45 AM, Tony Anderson <span
                                dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net"
                                  target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                    03/14/2017 12:03 PM, Alex Perez
                                    wrote:<br>
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                                    I would think ASLO could simply be
                                    made to inspect the contents of an
                                    activity, upon upload, (since it’s
                                    just a zip file), and look for the
                                    necessary string within <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://activity.info"
                                      target="_blank">activity.info</a>,
                                    such that it could be displayed
                                    under a “details” section of an
                                    Activity, within ASLO. </blockquote>
                                  <br>
                                  What I propose is that the ASLO page
                                  have a link to the github repository.
                                  See the attached screenshot which
                                  shows a link to home page. I would see
                                  this link being added here.<span
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                            <div>+1. But that can be done if (1) we
                              include the repo path in the info file and
                              (2) do the work on ALSO to display it (I
                              think alsroot was looking into this). </div>
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                  <div>+1 to add the repository link field on ASLO.<br>
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                  <div>This is an example where we all agree that
                    something needs to be done. <br>
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                    Now, how do you propose we get it done?  <br>
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                            <div>You proposal has no bearing on where
                              the repo is hosted, as it should not. </div>
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                                    Tony<br>
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                                <div><font><font>Walter Bender</font></font><br>
                                  <font><font>Sugar Labs</font></font></div>
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                        <div>Laura V.<br>
                          <font color="#ff00ff"><b>
                              I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org</b></font></div>
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                              style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:"Helvetica
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                              paradox, no progress.” </span></font></div>
                        <div><font size="2"><span
                              style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:"Helvetica
                              Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">~
                              Niels Bohr</span></font><br>
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                        <div>Happy Learning!<br>
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