<div dir="ltr">I was going around youtube and i saw this video [1] (Sugar Labs Vision 2016 proposal Hangout). I think towards the technical aspect of Sugar Labs, this video explains everything walter was trying to point out. <div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENLWvPV8jrI&t=10s">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENLWvPV8jrI&t=10s</a></div><div><br></div><div>Samson</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    I am extremely disappointed with the direction this thread is
    taking. Based on our experience with the 2016 goals, this emphasis
    on starting over will lead to a restatement of the 2017 goals which
    at the end of the year will be as close to reality as they are
    today. <br>
    <br>
    The heart of Walter's document is:<br>
    <p>"We have several near-term opportunities that we should leverage:
    </p>
    <ul>
      <li> Raspian: The Raspberry Pi 3 is more than adequate to run
        Sugar—the experience rivals or exceeds that of the OLPC XO-4
        hardware, though not the OLPC NL3 hardware. While Raspberry Pi
        is not the only platform we should be targeting, it does have
        broad penetration into the Maker community, which shares a
        synergy with our emphasis on “doing”. It is low-hanging fruit.
        With a little polish we could have an image available for
        download from the Raspberry Pi website.</li>
      <li> Trisquel: We have the potential for better leveraging the
        Free Software Foundation as a vehicle for promoting Sugar. Their
        distro of choice is Trisquel and the maintainer does a great job
        of keep the Sugar packages up to date.</li>
      <li> Sugarizer: The advantage of Sugarizer is that it has the
        potential of reaching orders of magnitude more users since it is
        web-based and runs in Android and iOS. There is some work to be
        done to make the experience palatable on small screens and the
        current development environment is—at least my opinion—not
        scalable or maintainable. The former is a formidable problem.
        The latter quite easy to address.</li>
      <li> Stand-alone projects such as Music Blocks have merit as long
        as they maintain both a degree of connection with Sugar and
        promote the values of the community. It is not certain that
        these projects will lead users towards Sugar, but they do
        promote FOSS and Constructionist principles. And they have
        attracted new developers to the Sugar community."</li>
    </ul>
    <p>Lionel Laske offered this response:<br>
    </p>
    <div>"Thanks a lot for this long proposal. Great to hear you on
      that.</div>
    <div>I think that it's more a Sugar history than a goal/vision but
      it's good to read it from a guy that was the major contributor of
      the history.</div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>BTW I'm not agree with your goals.</div>
    <div>My view is that it's not a good idea to limit Sugar/SugarLabs
      to makers.  We can't target a so small market:</div>
    <div>- RaspberryPI ? RPI is a great tool. I personally used 2 RPI
      weekly for my personal usage. But it's a tool for geeks not for
      learners. It could be a good device as server (we're using it in
      classroom in France and in Madagascar and it's good for XSCE too)
      but it's a very poor tools for children: no screen, no keyboard,
      no mouse, not even a power adapter. It's just a board ! So I don't
      see the interest of Sugar on it.</div>
    <div>- Trisquel ? Probably a nice Linux distribution but how many
      users ? Not at all a largely distributed distribution like Fedora
      or Ubuntu.  Why doing effort on it ?</div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>I can't understand you even mention Windows support in your
      goals: just 99,9% of the PC market ! So if you're a Windows user
      you can't be a target for SugarLabs ? Plus, regarding devices: we
      should be better on touch devices because tablets is the favorite
      learning tools in classroom today, not PC. It's why Android (80%
      of the tablet market) and iOS are so important in my mind. We
      should go where users - children/teachers - are !</div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>We can't target makers just because Sugar has synergy with them
      and because we hope they help us to spread the world tomorrow.</div>
    <div>Our goals should be to deploy Sugar as a mainstream solution
      for everyone not a solution for a bunch of geeks. It's the only
      way to expand the Sugar community. You told about OLPC: the goal
      of One Laptop Per Child was to give a laptop to EVERY child, our
      goal should be to give Sugar to EVERY child too. The marketing
      effort should be in that way, no need to do marketing for makers,
      I'm sure they found us themselves.</div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>                 Lionel.</div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>P.S.: Regarding Sugarizer maintainability, it's just your
      opinion. Not sure it's the opinion for 20 others Sugarizer
      contributors. I don't think you could judge Sugarizer
      maintainability only because you've not successfully updated
      TurtleJS activity inside. I don't have success running TurtleJS on
      my side and had a very bad experience when trying to Sugarize it,
      it's not a reason for me to give a judgement about TurtleJS
      maintainability.   "<br>
      <br>
      Regarding Raspberry Pi, while of the millions in the wild
      certainly only a small minority are used for education of primary
      school aged children, the same is true for the number used to
      drive 3d printers. There are computer labs in operation based on
      Raspbery Pi with hand-me-down peripherals. Kids on Computers in
      Mexico supports several using XSCE as the school server (the KoC
      team never even considered Sugar as an option for the clients). 
      There is a specific opportunity in Kenya where desktops are being
      used with hand-me-down peripherals. These desktops could be
      replaced by RPi3 saving the difficulty in maintaining old ATX
      boxes (and making use of the peripherals where the desktop is not
      working). <br>
      <br>
      Lionel expresses concern that Trisquel is not well known in our
      community. However, the newbies to Sugar are unlikely to have a
      clue about the difference between Trisquel, Ubuntu, Debian or
      Fedora (let alone Arch or Gentoo or OpenBSD). What is critical is
      that it be dead simple to download and install Sugar and that
      Sugar works reliably.<br>
      <br>
      The maker community has MakerFaires. These are very effective
      opportunities to show what makers can do and to invite visitors to
      make something on the spot. Adam Holt and the XSCE team have
      demonstrated Sugar at several. The idea is that the exhibitor
      offers an opportunity for visitors to 'make' - something we can do
      easily with Sugar. Typical visitors are school-age children.<br>
    </div>
    <ul>
    </ul>
    I think our single goal is to escape the perception that Sugar is
    tied to the XO and establish the perception that Sugar is a viable
    learning platform available to the mainstream user. Continuing to
    tie Sugar to NL3, Infinity or Positivo (Rwanda) is wrong. We need to
    make Sugar a platform available independent of particular suppliers
    (the Achilles heal of OLPC). <br>
    <br>
    I think it is easy to understand what is needed to move toward this
    goal:<br>
    <br>
        Provide an image for the RPi3 which can be downloaded, copied to
    an SD microchip, and booted on an RPi3 configuration with an HDMI
    screen, usb keyboard and mouse. Sebastian Silva has offered some
    technical ideas on how to implement this. The XSCE team is very
    familiar with this process in connection with XSCE.<br>
    <br>
        Currently on the website we mention Fedora, Debian, and Ubuntu.
    At <a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Downloads#Do_you_use_GNU.2FLinux" target="_blank">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/<wbr>Downloads#Do_you_use_GNU.<wbr>2FLinux</a>
    we mention a potpourri of options including Trisquel. We need to
    have one. If there is disagreement with Walter's choice of Trisquel,
    let's have that discussion. In the meantime let's release a
    supported version of Sugar and document it as the choice on our
    website. <br>
    <br>
        Sugarizer. We need to work out with Lionel Laske if Sugarizer is
    an alternative to Sugar or is Sugar for mobile devices or is the
    successor to Sugar. Sugarizer has a unique advantage in that it does
    not need to be installed. However, Sugar offers a rich library of
    activities that will not be available to Sugarizer without a major
    investment in developer time.<br>
    <br>
    It is possible that Turtle Blocks is a standalone project but it is
    also a Sugar activity. Making Music Blocks a Sugar activity should
    not be difficult. The important aspect is that both add to the
    educational benefits offered by the Sugar platform.<br>
    <br>
    I would only add to Walter's document two observations. <br>
    <br>
    One, to attract potential new users and deployers of Sugar, we must
    remake the website so that it is easy for the curious to see what
    Sugar is and how to bring it to their own computer. To accomplish
    this, it must be possible to obtain the current release directly
    from our website. We need a user forum and a means for users to
    report problems similar to other open source projects. <br>
    <br>
    Second, we need a version for Windows. This is the most likely place
    potential deployers will stumble upon Sugar (remember, Negroponte's
    encounter). If possible it should be a Windows 10 application.
    Samuel Greenfeld suggests Sugarizer as the version for Windows.
    Sugarizer can be experienced by anyone with a browser and internet
    access - including, of course, Windows users. This user experience
    of Sugar can be featured immediately on our site. <br>
    <br>
    This thread needs to become a discussion of how our goals can be
    reached in 2017 and the pragmatic steps needed to get there.<br>
    <br>
    Tony<br>
    <br>
    P.S. What is the role of SOAS?<br>
    <br>
    <div class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-cite-prefix">On 04/12/2017 07:22 AM, Mariah Noelle
      Villarreal wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>Hey everyone,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>As promised, I've started the wiki based on the
          conversation that's been happening on the thread. I hope this
          helps out. I haven't had time to go through the 2016 Goals or
          to add all of the information that was presented yet. Any help
          would be much appreciated!</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/2017_Goals" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/<wbr>2017_Goals</a><br>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>- Mariah Noelle</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 10:34 AM,
          Mariah Noelle Villarreal <span dir="ltr"><<a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:villarrealmn@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:villarrealmn@gmail.com" target="_blank">villarrealmn@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="auto">
              <div>I will take time this afternoon to combine all of
                what is being said in the thread at <a href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/2017_Goals" target="_blank">wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/2017_Goa<wbr>ls</a></div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
              </div>
              <div dir="auto">This way we can move over to the wiki and
                add our particular goals, objectives, and actions in one
                place.</div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
              </div>
              <div dir="auto">Also, I would really appreciate the
                bickering and insults on this thread to come to an end.
                This is an international volunteer community. We should
                be mindful of language barriers and cultural differences
                between us.</div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
              </div>
              <div dir="auto">I've followed this thread for years and
                don't jump in often because of the constant bickering.
                The time is better spent formulating these ideas,
                documenting them and then actually doing them.</div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
              </div>
              <div dir="auto">Look out this afternoon for updates on the
                wiki a the address I mentioned above.</div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
              </div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
              </div>
              <div dir="auto">Best,</div>
              <div dir="auto">Mariah
                <div>
                  <div class="m_-1627328819531822347h5"><br>
                    <div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br>
                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Apr 11, 2017 9:51 AM,
                        "Caryl Bigenho" <<a href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" target="_blank">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>>
                        wrote:<br type="attribution">
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                              <p>Hi Folks,</p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>First, thanks go to Walter for the very
                                comprehensive review of Sugar Labs and
                                what has been done and is currently
                                being done. It is very helpful. However,
                                it, in no sense of the words, represents
                                goals and objectives for SL going
                                forward.</p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>I know Sameer really does want to share
                                more with us to assist in developing a
                                viable list of goals and objectives, but
                                I also know he is very busy with his
                                teaching job.  So, I have taken the time
                                to find a couple of resources from
                                education that show what goals and
                                objectives really are and how the
                                activities we choose to undertake are
                                related. These resources are attached.</p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>The next thing that needs to be done is
                                to go through Walter's fine document and
                                identify all the specific areas Sugar
                                Labs works with and write one goal for
                                each. Don't do anything else until these
                                goals are written. These should be done
                                in a sharable online document. Everyone
                                who wants to participate should be
                                encouraged to do so. There should be no
                                special priority attached to any of
                                these goals. At this point they would be
                                of equal value.</p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>There should be one goal for each
                                area... I suggest we start with these 4
                                broad areas:</p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <ol style="margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px">
                                <li>Sugar<br>
                                </li>
                                <li>Sugarizer<br>
                                </li>
                                <li>Stand Alone Projects<br>
                                </li>
                                <li>School Server<br>
                                </li>
                              </ol>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>Each goal should be concise and
                                precise. <u>Preferably one sentence.</u>
                                Under each goal go objectives. There can
                                be <u>more than one</u> objective per
                                goal. </p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>An objective should follow the form of
                                <b>Who</b> is going to do <b>What</b>
                                by <b>When</b> and <span>
                                  <b>How</b></span> will success be
                                measured. </p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>A goal can have several objectives
                                under it... for example, the objectives
                                for Sugar could have objectives
                                addressing both Raspian and Trisquel
                                (two separate categories).</p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>Once the objectives are filled in, it
                                will be time to start working on
                                activities. These will include actual
                                activities like producing a new version
                                of Sugarizer, conducting a Music Blocks
                                workshop, showing Sugar Labs "products"
                                and recruiting users and volunteers at
                                Linux conferences and educational
                                conferences, etc.</p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>After this every project proposed can
                                be analyzed with the question in mind,
                                "How does this project help Sugar Labs
                                achieve its stated objectives (and thus
                                its goals as well).</p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>Please! Someone start a doc for this to
                                all happen. Begin with just the 4 (or 5
                                if you want to separate Raspian and
                                Trisquel). Make a simple goal for each.
                                Then collaborate on getting the goals
                                "just right" before moving on to
                                objectives. </p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>Then do the same thing for objectives.</p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>This may seem like a lot of "busy
                                work." But, trust me it isn't. It will
                                give Sugar Labs a strong platform to
                                work from, enabling the best use of
                                limited time and resources.</p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p>Caryl</p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                              <p><br>
                              </p>
                            </div>
                            <hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%">
                            <div id="m_-1627328819531822347m_-247192185365639613m_7153495693517737374m_-2111123969528405654divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> IAEP <<a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep-bounces@lists.sugarlabs" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iaep-bounces@lists.sugarlabs" target="_blank">iaep-bounces@lists.sugarlabs</a>.<wbr>org>

                                on behalf of Laura Vargas <<a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank">laura@somosazucar.org</a>><br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 10, 2017
                                7:31:18 AM<br>
                                <b>To:</b> Samson Goddy<br>
                                <b>Cc:</b> SLOBs; iaep; sugar-devel;
                                Dave Crossland<br>
                                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel]
                                2017 Goals for Sugar Labs</font>
                              <div> </div>
                            </div>
                            <div class="m_-1627328819531822347m_-247192185365639613m_7153495693517737374elided-text">
                              <div>
                                <div dir="ltr">
                                  <div>Thank you Samson</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Then I guess the email format is
                                    not the best choice. Could you
                                    please document it on a wiki page at
                                    the Sugar Labs wiki?</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Blessings and a nice week to all</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Laura Victoria</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div class="gmail_extra">
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">2017-04-10

                                        8:25 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <span dir="ltr"><<a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com" target="_blank">samsongoddy@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                          <div dir="auto">If i am wrong,
                                            walter made it clear earlier
                                            that this is a "draft
                                            proposal" meaning you can
                                            input.<span class="m_-1627328819531822347m_-247192185365639613m_7153495693517737374m_-2111123969528405654gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                                                <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div dir="auto">Samson</div>
                                              </font></span></div>
                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                            <div class="gmail_quote">
                                              <div>
                                                <div class="m_-1627328819531822347m_-247192185365639613m_7153495693517737374m_-2111123969528405654gmail-h5">On

                                                  Apr 10, 2017 2:15 PM,
                                                  "Laura Vargas" <<a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" target="_blank">laura@somosazucar.org</a>>

                                                  wrote:<br type="attribution">
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote class="m_-1627328819531822347m_-247192185365639613m_7153495693517737374m_-2111123969528405654gmail-m_2296444459671294241quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                <div>
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                                                    <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                        <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div class="m_-1627328819531822347m_-247192185365639613m_7153495693517737374m_-2111123969528405654gmail-m_2296444459671294241quoted-text">2017-04-09

                                                          19:03
                                                          GMT-05:00
                                                          Walter Bender
                                                          <span dir="ltr"><<a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote"><span class="m_-1627328819531822347m_-247192185365639613m_7153495693517737374m_-2111123969528405654gmail-m_2296444459671294241m_4941550130399028666gmail-">On

                                                          Sun, Apr 9,
                                                          2017 at 7:56
                                                          PM, Dave
                                                          Crossland <span dir="ltr"><<a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dave@lab6.com" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dave@lab6.com" target="_blank">dave@lab6.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="auto">Hi
                                                          <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="auto">Thanks

                                                          Walter. I'd
                                                          like to better
                                                          understand
                                                          some
                                                          additional
                                                          context before
                                                          diving in :)<br>
                                                          <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="auto">Does

                                                          this mean
                                                          Sameer you
                                                          have stopped
                                                          the project
                                                          planning
                                                          process you
                                                          started, and
                                                          we should not
                                                          expect you to
                                                          restart it
                                                          again?</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          </span>
                                                          <div>At the
                                                          most recent
                                                          SLOB meeting
                                                          Samson brought
                                                          up the fact
                                                          that we were
                                                          still waiting
                                                          and so I
                                                          volunteered to
                                                          write
                                                          something up
                                                          to get the
                                                          conversation
                                                          going again.</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Thanks
                                                          for doing this
                                                          Walter,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>After a
                                                          quick read, I
                                                          have to
                                                          confess I feel
                                                          sad and
                                                          excluded
                                                          because none
                                                          of the
                                                          projects I
                                                          have worked on
                                                          [1] is
                                                          mentioned on
                                                          your view of
                                                          Sugar's
                                                          history.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Regards
                                                          and blessings,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Laura V</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div> [1] <a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pe.sugarlabs.org/i" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pe.sugarlabs.org/i" target="_blank">http://pe.sugarlabs.org/i</a><wbr>r/Proyectos</div>
                                                          <div class="m_-1627328819531822347m_-247192185365639613m_7153495693517737374m_-2111123969528405654gmail-m_2296444459671294241elided-text">
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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                                                          <div class="gmail_extra">
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote"><span class="m_-1627328819531822347m_-247192185365639613m_7153495693517737374m_-2111123969528405654gmail-m_2296444459671294241m_4941550130399028666gmail-">
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div dir="auto">
                                                          <div dir="auto">
                                                          <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="auto">Walter,

                                                          are these the
                                                          goals for this
                                                          year, or are
                                                          they your
                                                          proposal for
                                                          the goals for
                                                          this year?</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </span>
                                                          <div>Not sure
                                                          I understand
                                                          what you are
                                                          asking. I
                                                          wrote up a
                                                          draft of goals
                                                          but they are
                                                          not "the
                                                          goals" until
                                                          we agree to
                                                          them.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>regards.</div>
                                                          <span class="m_-1627328819531822347m_-247192185365639613m_7153495693517737374m_-2111123969528405654gmail-m_2296444459671294241m_4941550130399028666gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>-walter</div>
                                                          </font></span>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div class="m_-1627328819531822347m_-247192185365639613m_7153495693517737374m_-2111123969528405654gmail-m_2296444459671294241m_4941550130399028666gmail-h5">
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                                                          <div dir="auto">
                                                          <div dir="auto">
                                                          <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div class="m_-1627328819531822347m_-247192185365639613m_7153495693517737374m_-2111123969528405654gmail-m_2296444459671294241m_4941550130399028666gmail-m_-8743274119683487946h5">On

                                                          Apr 9, 2017
                                                          3:31 PM,
                                                          "Walter
                                                          Bender" <<a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a class="m_-1627328819531822347moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>>

                                                          wrote:<br type="attribution">
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div class="m_-1627328819531822347m_-247192185365639613m_7153495693517737374m_-2111123969528405654gmail-m_2296444459671294241m_4941550130399028666gmail-m_-8743274119683487946h5">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>As per
                                                          the discussion
                                                          in the last
                                                          Suagr Labs
                                                          Oversight
                                                          Board Meeting,
                                                          I had agreed
                                                          to write a
                                                          draft
                                                          statement of
                                                          goals for
                                                          2017. The
                                                          document below
                                                          includes
                                                          feedback from
                                                          Samson G. I
                                                          hope this
                                                          document can
                                                          serve to
                                                          revitalize our
                                                          discussion
                                                          from 2016 that
                                                          never reached
                                                          resolution.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Sugar
                                                          Labs Plans,
                                                          Goals,
                                                          Aspirations</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>What is
                                                          Sugar Labs?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Sugar
                                                          Labs creates,
                                                          distributes,
                                                          and maintains
                                                          learning
                                                          software for
                                                          children. Our
                                                          approach to
                                                          learning is
                                                          grounded in
                                                          Constructionism,
                                                          a pedagogy
                                                          developed by
                                                          Seymour Papert
                                                          and his
                                                          colleagues in
                                                          the 1960s and
                                                          70s at MIT.
                                                          Papert
                                                          pioneered the
                                                          use of the
                                                          computer by
                                                          children to
                                                          help engage
                                                          them in the
                                                          “construction
                                                          of knowledge.”
                                                          His long-time
                                                          colleague
                                                          Cynthia
                                                          Solomon
                                                          expanded up
                                                          his ideas by
                                                          introducing
                                                          the concept of
                                                          engaging
                                                          children in
                                                          debugging as a
                                                          pathway into
                                                          problem-solving.
                                                          Their 1971
                                                          paper, “Twenty
                                                          things to do
                                                          with a
                                                          computer”, is
                                                          arguably the
                                                          genesis of
                                                          contemporary
                                                          movements such
                                                          as the Maker
                                                          Movement and
                                                          Hour of Code.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>At the
                                                          core of
                                                          Constructionism
                                                          is “learning
                                                          through
                                                          doing.” If you
                                                          want more
                                                          learning, you
                                                          want more
                                                          doing. At
                                                          Sugar Labs we
                                                          provide tools
                                                          to promote
                                                          doing. (We
                                                          focus almost
                                                          exclusively on
                                                          tools, not
                                                          instructional
                                                          materials.)
                                                          However, we go
                                                          beyond “doing”
                                                          by
                                                          incorporating
                                                          critical
                                                          dialog and
                                                          reflection
                                                          into the Sugar
                                                          learning
                                                          environment,
                                                          through
                                                          mechanisms for
                                                          collaboration,
                                                          journaling,
                                                          and portfolio.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Sugar
                                                          Labs is a
                                                          spinoff of the
                                                          One Laptop per
                                                          Child (OLPC)
                                                          project and
                                                          consequently
                                                          it has
                                                          inherited many
                                                          of its goals
                                                          from that
                                                          project. The
                                                          goal of OLPC
                                                          is to bring
                                                          the ideas of
                                                          Constructionism
                                                          to scale in
                                                          order to reach
                                                          more children.
                                                          A particular
                                                          focus is on
                                                          children in
                                                          the developing
                                                          world. In
                                                          order to meet
                                                          that goal,
                                                          Sugar, which
                                                          was originally
                                                          developed for
                                                          OLPC, was by
                                                          necessity a
                                                          small-footprint
                                                          solution that
                                                          required few
                                                          resources in
                                                          terms of CPU,
                                                          memory,
                                                          storage, or
                                                          network
                                                          connectivity.
                                                          The major
                                                          change on
                                                          focus from the
                                                          OLPC project
                                                          is that Sugar
                                                          Labs strives
                                                          to make the
                                                          Sugar desktop
                                                          available to
                                                          multiple
                                                          platforms, not
                                                          just the OLPC
                                                          XO hardware.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Who
                                                          develops
                                                          Sugar?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Sugar
                                                          Labs is a 100%
                                                          volunteer
                                                          effort
                                                          (although we
                                                          do
                                                          occasionally
                                                          raise money
                                                          for paid
                                                          student
                                                          internships).
                                                          Sugar
                                                          development
                                                          and
                                                          maintenance is
                                                          incumbent upon
                                                          volunteers and
                                                          hence we
                                                          strive to
                                                          provide as
                                                          much control
                                                          as possible to
                                                          our community
                                                          members,
                                                          including our
                                                          end-users. (In
                                                          fact, one of
                                                          our assertions
                                                          is that by
                                                          enabling our
                                                          users to
                                                          participate in
                                                          the
                                                          development of
                                                          the tools that
                                                          they use will
                                                          lead to deeper
                                                          engagement in
                                                          their own
                                                          learning.)
                                                          Towards these
                                                          ends, we chose
                                                          the GPL as our
                                                          primary
                                                          license. It
                                                          has been said
                                                          of the GPL
                                                          that it
                                                          “restricts my
                                                          right [as a
                                                          developer] to
                                                          restrict yours
                                                          [as a user and
                                                          potential
                                                          developer]”,
                                                          which seems
                                                          ideal for a
                                                          project that
                                                          wants to
                                                          engage a broad
                                                          and diverse
                                                          set of
                                                          learners. But
                                                          at Sugar Labs
                                                          we go beyond
                                                          the usual
                                                          goals of FOSS:
                                                          a license to
                                                          make changes
                                                          to the code is
                                                          not enough to
                                                          ensure that
                                                          users make
                                                          changes. We
                                                          also strive to
                                                          provide the
                                                          means to make
                                                          changes. Our
                                                          success in
                                                          this goal is
                                                          best reflected
                                                          in the number
                                                          of patches we
                                                          receive from
                                                          our community.
                                                          (We achieve
                                                          this goal
                                                          through
                                                          providing
                                                          access to
                                                          source code
                                                          and
                                                          development
                                                          tools within
                                                          Sugar itself.
                                                          We also
                                                          actively
                                                          participate in
                                                          workshops and
                                                          internship
                                                          programs such
                                                          as Google
                                                          Summer of
                                                          Code,
                                                          Outreaching,
                                                          and Google
                                                          Code-In.)</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Who uses
                                                          Sugar?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Ultimately,

                                                          our goal is to
                                                          reach learners
                                                          (and
                                                          educators)
                                                          with powerful
                                                          tools and
                                                          engage them in
                                                          Constructionist

                                                          learning.
                                                          Currently we
                                                          reach them in
                                                          many ways: the
                                                          majority of
                                                          our users get
                                                          the Sugar
                                                          desktop
                                                          preinstalled
                                                          on OLPC XO
                                                          hardware. We
                                                          have a more
                                                          modest set of
                                                          users who get
                                                          Sugar packaged
                                                          in Fedora,
                                                          Trisquel,
                                                          Debian,
                                                          Ubuntu, or
                                                          other
                                                          GNU/Linux
                                                          platforms.
                                                          Some users get
                                                          Sugar on Live
                                                          Media (i.e.,
                                                          Sugar on a
                                                          Stick).
                                                          Recently
                                                          Sugarizer, a
                                                          repackaging of
                                                          some of the
                                                          core Sugar
                                                          ideas for the
                                                          browser, has
                                                          been finding
                                                          its way to
                                                          some users.
                                                          There are also
                                                          a number of
                                                          Sugar
                                                          activities
                                                          that are
                                                          popular
                                                          outside of the
                                                          context Sugar
                                                          itself, for
                                                          example,
                                                          Turtle Blocks,
                                                          which has
                                                          wide-spread
                                                          use in India.
                                                          Harder to
                                                          measure is the
                                                          extent to
                                                          which Sugar
                                                          has influenced
                                                          other
                                                          providers of
                                                          “educational”
                                                          software. If
                                                          the Sugar
                                                          pedagogy is
                                                          incorporated
                                                          by others,
                                                          that advances
                                                          our goal.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Who
                                                          supports
                                                          Sugar?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>When we
                                                          first created
                                                          Sugar Labs, we
                                                          envisioned
                                                          “Local
                                                          Labs”—hence
                                                          the name
                                                          “Sugar Labs”,
                                                          plural—that
                                                          would provide
                                                          local support
                                                          in terms of
                                                          local-language
                                                          support,
                                                          training,
                                                          curriculum
                                                          development,
                                                          and
                                                          customizations.
                                                          This model has
                                                          not ever
                                                          gained the
                                                          scale and
                                                          depth
                                                          envisioned (we
                                                          can debate the
                                                          reasons why),
                                                          although there
                                                          are still some
                                                          active local
                                                          communities
                                                          (e.g., Educa
                                                          Paraguay) that
                                                          continue to
                                                          work closely
                                                          with the
                                                          broader
                                                          community.
                                                          There are also
                                                          individual
                                                          volunteers,
                                                          such as Tony
                                                          Anderson and
                                                          T.K. Kang, who
                                                          help support
                                                          individual
                                                          schools in
                                                          Rwanda,
                                                          Malaysia, et
                                                          al. An open
                                                          question is
                                                          how do we
                                                          support our
                                                          users over the
                                                          long term?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>What is
                                                          next for
                                                          Sugar?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>We face
                                                          several
                                                          challenges at
                                                          Sugar Labs.
                                                          With the ebb
                                                          of OLPC, we
                                                          have a
                                                          contracting
                                                          user base and
                                                          the number of
                                                          professional
                                                          developers
                                                          associated
                                                          with the
                                                          project is
                                                          greatly
                                                          diminished.
                                                          How can we
                                                          expand our
                                                          user base? How
                                                          can we attract
                                                          more
                                                          experienced
                                                          developers?
                                                          Why would they
                                                          want to work
                                                          on Sugar as
                                                          opposed to
                                                          some other
                                                          project? The
                                                          meta issue is
                                                          how do we keep
                                                          Sugar relevant
                                                          in a world of
                                                          Apps and
                                                          small,
                                                          hand-held
                                                          devices? Can
                                                          we meet the
                                                          expectations
                                                          of learners
                                                          living in a
                                                          world of
                                                          fast-paced,
                                                          colorful
                                                          interfaces?
                                                          How do we
                                                          ensure that it
                                                          is fulfilling
                                                          its potential
                                                          as a learning
                                                          environment
                                                          and that our
                                                          users,
                                                          potential
                                                          users, and
                                                          imitators are
                                                          learning about
                                                          and learning
                                                          from Sugar.
                                                          Some of this
                                                          is a matter of
                                                          marketing;
                                                          some of this
                                                          is a matter of
                                                          staying
                                                          focused on our
                                                          core pedagogy;
                                                          some of this a
                                                          matter of
                                                          finding
                                                          strategic
                                                          partners with
                                                          whom we can
                                                          work.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>We have
                                                          several
                                                          near-term
                                                          opportunities
                                                          that we should
                                                          leverage:</div>
                                                          <div>*
                                                          Raspian: The
                                                          Raspberry PI
                                                          3.0 is more
                                                          than adequate
                                                          to run
                                                          Sugar—the
                                                          experience
                                                          rivals or
                                                          exceeds that
                                                          of the OLPC XO
                                                          4.0 hardware.
                                                          While RPi is
                                                          not the only
                                                          platform we
                                                          should be
                                                          targeting, it
                                                          does has broad
                                                          penetration
                                                          into the Maker
                                                          community,
                                                          which shares a
                                                          synergy with
                                                          our emphasis
                                                          on “doing”. It
                                                          is low-hanging
                                                          fruit. With a
                                                          little polish
                                                          we could have
                                                          an image
                                                          available for
                                                          download from
                                                          the RPi
                                                          website.</div>
                                                          <div>*
                                                          Trisquel: We
                                                          have the
                                                          potential for
                                                          better
                                                          leveraging the
                                                          Free Software
                                                          Foundation as
                                                          a vehicle for
                                                          promoting
                                                          Sugar. Their
                                                          distro of
                                                          choice is
                                                          Trisquel and
                                                          the maintainer
                                                          does a great
                                                          job of keep
                                                          the Sugar
                                                          packages up to
                                                          date.</div>
                                                          <div>*
                                                          Sugarizer: The
                                                          advantage of
                                                          Sugarizer is
                                                          that it has
                                                          the potential
                                                          of reaching
                                                          orders of
                                                          magnitude more
                                                          users since it
                                                          is web-based
                                                          and runs in
                                                          Android and
                                                          iOS. There is
                                                          some work to
                                                          be done to
                                                          make the
                                                          experience
                                                          palatable on
                                                          small screens
                                                          and the
                                                          current
                                                          development
                                                          environment
                                                          is—at least my
                                                          opinion—not
                                                          scalable or
                                                          maintainable.
                                                          The former is
                                                          a formidable
                                                          problem. The
                                                          latter quite
                                                          easy to
                                                          address.</div>
                                                          <div>*
                                                          Stand-alone
                                                          projects such
                                                          as Music
                                                          Blocks have
                                                          merit as long
                                                          as they
                                                          maintain both
                                                          a degree of
                                                          connection
                                                          with Sugar and
                                                          promote the
                                                          values of the
                                                          community. It
                                                          is not certain
                                                          that these
                                                          projects will
                                                          lead users
                                                          towards Sugar,
                                                          but they do
                                                          promote FOSS
                                                          and
                                                          Constructionist
                                                          principles.
                                                          And they have
                                                          attracted new
                                                          developers to
                                                          the Sugar
                                                          community.</div>
                                                          <div>*
                                                          School-server:
                                                          The
                                                          combination of
                                                          the School
                                                          Server and
                                                          Sugar desktop
                                                          is a technical
                                                          solution to
                                                          problems
                                                          facing small
                                                          and remote
                                                          communities.
                                                          We should
                                                          continue to
                                                          support and
                                                          promote this
                                                          combination.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Specific
                                                          actions: After
                                                          last year’s
                                                          Libre Planet
                                                          conference,
                                                          several
                                                          community
                                                          members
                                                          discussed a
                                                          marketing
                                                          strategy for
                                                          Sugar. We
                                                          thought that
                                                          if we could
                                                          reach
                                                          influencers,
                                                          we might be
                                                          able to
                                                          greatly
                                                          amplify our
                                                          efforts. There
                                                          are several
                                                          prominent
                                                          bloggers and
                                                          pundits in the
                                                          education
                                                          arena who are
                                                          widely read
                                                          and who might
                                                          be receptive
                                                          to what we are
                                                          doing. One
                                                          significant
                                                          challenge is
                                                          that GNU/Linux
                                                          remains on the
                                                          far periphery
                                                          of the Ed Tech
                                                          world.
                                                          Although the
                                                          “love affair”
                                                          with all
                                                          things Apple
                                                          seems to be
                                                          over, the new
                                                          elephant in
                                                          the
                                                          room—Chromebooks
                                                          and Google
                                                          Docs—is
                                                          equally
                                                          difficult to
                                                          co-exist with.
                                                          Personally, I
                                                          see the most
                                                          potential
                                                          synergy with
                                                          the Maker
                                                          movement,
                                                          which is
                                                          building up
                                                          momentum in
                                                          extra-curricular
                                                          programs,
                                                          where FOSS and
                                                          GNU-Linux are
                                                          welcome (hence
                                                          my earlier
                                                          focus on RPi).
                                                          (There are
                                                          even some
                                                          schools that
                                                          are building
                                                          their entire
                                                          curriculum
                                                          around PBL.)
                                                          We can and
                                                          should develop
                                                          and run some
                                                          workshops that
                                                          can introduce
                                                          Sugar within
                                                          the context of
                                                          the Maker
                                                          movement.
                                                          (Toward that
                                                          end, I have
                                                          been working
                                                          with some
                                                          teachers on
                                                          how to
                                                          leverage, for
                                                          example,
                                                          Turtle Blocks
                                                          for 3D
                                                          printing.) It
                                                          is very much a
                                                          tool-oriented
                                                          community with
                                                          little overall
                                                          discussion of
                                                          architectural
                                                          frameworks, so
                                                          we have some
                                                          work to do.
                                                          But there is
                                                          lots of
                                                          low-hanging
                                                          fruit there.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>regards.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>-walter</div>
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                                                          Bender</font></font><br>
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                                                          Bender</font></font><br>
                                                          <font><font>Sugar

                                                          Labs</font></font></div>
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                                                          IAEP -- It's
                                                          An Education
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                                                          laptop
                                                          project!)<br>
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                                                          <div>Laura V.<br>
                                                          <font color="#ff00ff"><b>I&D
SomosAZUCAR.Org</b></font></div>
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                                                          <div><font size="2"><span>“No paradox, no progress.” </span></font></div>
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                                                          <div>Happy
                                                          Learning!<br>
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