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    Hi, Walter<br>
    <br>
    Of course, we need qualified volunteers to undertake the task. So
    far, our release managers have provided support for osbuild but have
    not undertaken to provide a release intended for adoption by a
    general user or by a institutional deployment. The Sugar Labs web
    site offers releases for many platforms, but the email discussion
    shows that none of these can really be considered a stable, tested
    release.<br>
    <br>
    It appears that the Debian repository, if updated for 0.110 and then
    passing the Debian test procedures should be the proper basis for a
    Raspbian and Ubuntu release.<br>
    <br>
    I would hope our community has some one with the skills and
    determination to take this on. <br>
    <br>
    Tony<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/17/2016 09:34 PM, Walter Bender
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Tony,
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        <div>I cannot separate the desire to have an easy install on
          Debian from the work needed to achieve that goal. Hence my
          asking that we expand this discussion to include those who
          might be able to help us do that work.</div>
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        <div>-walter<br>
          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 2:06 PM,
              Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a
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              wrote:<br>
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                <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi, Walter<br>
                  <br>
                  We again seem to have a problem in communication. My
                  concern is not to solve a specific problem. My concern
                  is to leverage this Debian process to help <br>
                  Sugar Labs offer an effective release of Sugar that
                  can become a viable alternative for educators to
                  implement. This can not require specific technical
                  knowledge such as the sugar developers have, but the
                  ability to install Sugar on an ordinary laptop. This
                  is handled by Libre Office. I can install Libre Office
                  on an Xo with the following script:<br>
                  <br>
                  echo 'install libreoffice'<br>
                  cd libreoffice<br>
                  sudo rpm -Uvh *.rpm<br>
                  cd $here<br>
                  <br>
                  where libreoffice is a directory containing the Libre
                  Office rpms. This requires no access to the internet
                  nor any special technical skills. The <br>
                  overall script is <br>
                  <br>
                  cd /run/media/olpc/xo175<br>
                  bash xo-custom<br>
                  <br>
                  where xo175 is the label of the USB drive.<br>
                  <br>
                  Why can't we have something as simple for Sugar?
                  Debian seems to be spending some effort to package
                  Sugar in their repository. Why can't we expend <br>
                  a little effort so that Sugar can be installed by dpkg
                  -i sugar?<br>
                  <br>
                  I addressed this to SLOBS because I think this is a
                  Sugar Labs issue, not a technical one.<span
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                      Tony</font></span>
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                      <div class="m_5136891178717137326moz-cite-prefix">On
                        12/17/2016 04:50 PM, Walter Bender wrote:<br>
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                        <div dir="ltr">None of this seems like it would
                          be difficult to resolve. We need to find
                          someone who is in the debian world to jump in.
                          Can you cross post to sugar-devel?
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                          <div>thx</div>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 17, 2016
                            at 1:17 AM, Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                            wrote:<br>
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                              style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
                              #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I continue to
                              get messages like this - I suspect because
                              I signed up for <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org" target="_blank">pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.d<wbr>ebian.org</a>.
                              However,<br>
                              there doesn't appear to be anyone from the
                              Sugar community involved.<br>
                              <br>
                              Format: 1.8<br>
                              Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 17:10:30 +0100<br>
                              Source: sugar-imageviewer-activity<br>
                              Binary: sugar-imageviewer-activity<br>
                              Architecture: source all<br>
                              Version: 62-3<br>
                              Distribution: unstable<br>
                              Urgency: medium<br>
                              Maintainer: Debian Sugar Team<<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:pkg-sugar-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org"
                                target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pkg-sugar-devel@lists.ali">pkg-sugar-devel@lists.ali</a><wbr>oth.debian.org</a>><br>
                              Changed-By: Jonas Smedegaard<<a
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                                href="mailto:dr@jones.dk"
                                target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dr@jones.dk">dr@jones.dk</a></a>><br>
                              Description:<br>
                               sugar-imageviewer-activity - Sugar
                              Learning Platform - image viewing activity<br>
                              Changes:<br>
                               sugar-imageviewer-activity (62-3)
                              unstable; urgency=medium<br>
                               .<br>
                                 * Update copyright info:<br>
                                   + Update URLs to reflect new Github
                              home.<br>
                                   + Extend coverage for Debian
                              packaging.<br>
                                 * Declare compliance with Debian Policy
                              3.9.8.<br>
                                 * Fix broken path in desktop file.<br>
                                 * Have git-buildpackage filter any
                              .git* file.<br>
                                 * Modernize CDBS use:<br>
                                   + Generalize resolving
                              build-dependency on python.<br>
                                   + Build-depend on licensecheck (not
                              devscripts).<br>
                              <br>
                              Is there anyone who cares? Since Sugar
                              Labs does not make a Debian release of
                              Sugar, perhaps we should tell Debian to
                              drop Sugar and forget about it.<br>
                              Naturally, we would be turning our back on
                              the opportunity to create a Sugar release
                              for Debian which would install on Ubuntu
                              and Raspbian and. potentially, Windows 10.<br>
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                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs"
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                              <div><font><font>Walter Bender</font></font><br>
                                <font><font>Sugar Labs</font></font></div>
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                <div><font><font>Walter Bender</font></font><br>
                  <font><font>Sugar Labs</font></font></div>
                <div><font><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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