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    Hi, Walter<br>
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    Again I am being careless in writing. My apologies.<br>
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    The purpose in giving the user the option to use the alt key with a
    default of always starting new is that the current scheme requires
    additional instruction <br>
    to sugar users to explain that they must look at the palette to
    decide which activity to launch. I strongly preferred the original
    design in which a click on the icon in the Home View started the
    activity new and a click on the icon in the Journal resumed that
    instance. If all Journal objects have unique names supplied by the
    user, it will be very easy for the user to select an activity
    instance to launch.<br>
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    I appreciate that some Sugar users prefer the current default
    behavior. I think this should be implemented with a configuration
    option to make the <br>
    default behavior as it is now with the alt button pressed or to make
    behave as it does now.<br>
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    Tony<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/02/2016 07:50 PM, Walter Bender
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 1:38 PM,
            Sebastian Silva <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                <p>Not every time you do an activity are you doing work
                  worth committing. For instance I work with a lot of
                  terminals, that I reuse and there's no point in
                  committing terminal sessions.</p>
                <p>So imho Sugar should not force you to commit if you
                  don't want to.<br>
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            <div>We had long ago talked about letting some activities
              opt out. Regardless, adding the commit message back with
              an opt-out button is fine with me, but I still don't
              understand what problem we are solving. If I understand
              it, Tony also wants to circumvent the relaunch last
              instance by default as well. In the case of your Terminal
              example, it would mean you'd have Terminal instances in
              your Journal for each time you used the Terminal unless
              you too the time to go to the Journal and search for a
              previous instance. I think that makes the spam problem
              worse, not better.</div>
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                <div>El 02/06/16 a las 12:36, Walter Bender escribió:<br>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 2, 2016
                            at 12:34 PM, Sebastian Silva <span
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                            wrote:<br>
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                              las 11:37, Walter Bender escribió:<br>
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                                > I don't recall there ever being a
                                'Don't Save" dialog. I do recall the<br>
                                > dialog to enter a "commit message"
                                upon exit. I'm all for the latter!!!<br>
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                              </span>Yes the proposal is a 'commit
                              message' with a 'don't commit' option. I<br>
                              was never a fan of the former but having
                              the option would change my mind.<br>
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                              Can you help point Utkarsh to when this
                              was removed? Thanks!<br>
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                            <div>It was sometime before 0.96 because it
                              was in that release I added the "Write to
                              Journal Anytime" feature.</div>
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                            <div>But I am confused as to what problem we
                              are solving here.</div>
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                            <div>I think we should require commit
                              messages in Sugar the same way we require
                              them in our own work. But that said, the
                              decision to commit is made numerous times
                              through out the lifecycle of an activity,
                              not just at closing. For example, Turtle,
                              Write, and many others will write whenever
                              the activity goes to the background. And
                              Turtle saves whenever you run code. So how
                              does a "don't commit" option work
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                            <div>-walter</div>
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                              <div><font><font>Walter Bender</font></font><br>
                                <font><font>Sugar Labs</font></font></div>
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              <div><font><font>Walter Bender</font></font><br>
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