<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464942837915_95007">Hi all,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464942837915_95634"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464942837915_95635">I think the main issue here is that some people are using SugarLabs vidoes (maybe composed by them) to make $$.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464942837915_95808"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464942837915_96380">Banking on that, is for SL to start making more 'interactive' vidoes which will also bring like-minded person to SL and at thesame time we can earn money via Google Adsense.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464942837915_96468"> </div><div>+1 for Samson's suggestion.</div><div> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464942837915_96656" dir="ltr">Secondly for the ads in the WIKI page of SL, that would also earn $$ for SL but it has to be dome professionally so that we do not tarnish the image of SL. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464942837915_96654" dir="ltr"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464942837915_96629" dir="ltr">E.g we can use just 'related' Text ads at the bottom of the page. This will not only help us get money but will hep our SEO (backlinks).</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464942837915_98570" dir="ltr"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464942837915_98569" dir="ltr">The last time I checked SL is 'a non-profit organization' - Please @samson and @Dave can work out something on the policy so that we have a balanced trend on that aspect.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464942837915_98940" dir="ltr"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1464942837915_98938" dir="ltr">Thanks</div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"> </div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> On Friday, June 3, 2016 7:57 AM, "sugar-devel-request@lists.sugarlabs.org" <sugar-devel-request@lists.sugarlabs.org> wrote: </div> <div class="y_msg_container">Send Sugar-devel mailing list submissions to <a ymailto="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a ymailto="mailto:sugar-devel-request@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:sugar-devel-request@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel-request@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a ymailto="mailto:sugar-devel-owner@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:sugar-devel-owner@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel-owner@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Sugar-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Smart way to get $$ for posting videos on youtube (samson goddy) 2. Re: Smart way to get $$ for posting videos on youtube (Dave Crossland) 3. Re: Smart way to get $$ for posting videos on youtube (Dave Crossland) 4. Re: [DESIGN] Name object on Activity exit revisited (Tony Anderson) 5. Re: [DESIGN] Name object on Activity exit revisited (Tony Anderson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 01:28:55 +0100 From: samson goddy <<a ymailto="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com" href="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com">samsongoddy@hotmail.com</a>> To: <<a ymailto="mailto:dave@lab6.com" href="mailto:dave@lab6.com">dave@lab6.com</a>>, <<a ymailto="mailto:sdaly.be@gmail.com" href="mailto:sdaly.be@gmail.com">sdaly.be@gmail.com</a>> Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org">marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>, <a ymailto="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>, <a ymailto="mailto:sam.parkinson3@gmail.com" href="mailto:sam.parkinson3@gmail.com">sam.parkinson3@gmail.com</a>, <a ymailto="mailto:samuel@greenfeld.org" href="mailto:samuel@greenfeld.org">samuel@greenfeld.org</a> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Smart way to get $$ for posting videos on youtube Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:DUB125-W389EF0DF6BD38815000F6DB3590@phx.gbl" href="mailto:DUB125-W389EF0DF6BD38815000F6DB3590@phx.gbl">DUB125-W389EF0DF6BD38815000F6DB3590@phx.gbl</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sure I can do that, maybe me and you do work on it next week. From: <a ymailto="mailto:dave@lab6.com" href="mailto:dave@lab6.com">dave@lab6.com</a> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 10:53:14 -0600 To: <a ymailto="mailto:sdaly.be@gmail.com" href="mailto:sdaly.be@gmail.com">sdaly.be@gmail.com</a> CC: <a ymailto="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com" href="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com">samsongoddy@hotmail.com</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org">marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:sam.parkinson3@gmail.com" href="mailto:sam.parkinson3@gmail.com">sam.parkinson3@gmail.com</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:samuel@greenfeld.org" href="mailto:samuel@greenfeld.org">samuel@greenfeld.org</a> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Smart way to get $$ for posting videos on youtube On 2 June 2016 at 04:58, Sean DALY <<a ymailto="mailto:sdaly.be@gmail.com" href="mailto:sdaly.be@gmail.com">sdaly.be@gmail.com</a>> wrote: I myself don't see an upside with allowing random ads to be associated with Sugar Labs, for the tiny amount of income we might receive. If indeed our US nonprofit status through SFC would allow gains from advertising. Far better to do Calls to Action ("CTA" in their jargon) and Annotations, requesting donations. What data do you have to back up this assertion? :) I suggest that Samson learn how to do social media monetization by trying both CTA/Annotations and ads and seeing which works better. I support Samuel's suggestion to regroup our social media accounts and publish a posting policy modelled on Cloudstack's. I agree - Samson, would you be willing to draft a policy, a regrouping plan, and a content plan? (Perhaps in some ways similar to the plan I drafted for the Github migration? <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team/Migrating_to_GitHub" target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team/Migrating_to_GitHub</a>) Leaving aside our small content stream, a fundraising drive needs a compelling story about our vision and goals. I'm not sure what that story should be. Per the conversion funnel model (<a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/www-sugarlabs/blob/master/STRUCTURE.md#conversion-funnel" target="_blank">https://github.com/sugarlabs/www-sugarlabs/blob/master/STRUCTURE.md#conversion-funnel</a>) then I think the videos should be about "Discovery, Awareness, Attract, Brand"; which is to say, that they should be short (under 1 minute), show off 'the best of sugar' and leave people thinking "I want to try out Sugar" How many cool things can be phrased like, "Did you know with Sugar you can do X"? Eg, I hope that by the end of the summer we can make a video that says "Did you know with Sugar you can make fonts?" _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list <a ymailto="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel </a> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <<a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/attachments/20160603/b90c3655/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/attachments/20160603/b90c3655/attachment-0001.html</a>> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:03:09 -0600 From: Dave Crossland <<a ymailto="mailto:dave@lab6.com" href="mailto:dave@lab6.com">dave@lab6.com</a>> To: Sean DALY <<a ymailto="mailto:sdaly.be@gmail.com" href="mailto:sdaly.be@gmail.com">sdaly.be@gmail.com</a>> Cc: samson goddy <<a ymailto="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com" href="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com">samsongoddy@hotmail.com</a>>, Sugar Labs Marketing <<a ymailto="mailto:marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org">marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>>, Sugar Devel <<a ymailto="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>>, Sam Parkinson <<a ymailto="mailto:sam.parkinson3@gmail.com" href="mailto:sam.parkinson3@gmail.com">sam.parkinson3@gmail.com</a>>, Samuel Greenfeld <<a ymailto="mailto:samuel@greenfeld.org" href="mailto:samuel@greenfeld.org">samuel@greenfeld.org</a>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Smart way to get $$ for posting videos on youtube Message-ID: <CAEozd0wqkZWEbDvDz3F=5t0hGEOZR3Am+<a ymailto="mailto:UeM9x1KoJeNmnJJiQ@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:UeM9x1KoJeNmnJJiQ@mail.gmail.com">UeM9x1KoJeNmnJJiQ@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Sean! On 2 June 2016 at 11:20, Sean DALY <<a ymailto="mailto:sdaly.be@gmail.com" href="mailto:sdaly.be@gmail.com">sdaly.be@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Dave Crossland <<a ymailto="mailto:dave@lab6.com" href="mailto:dave@lab6.com">dave@lab6.com</a>> wrote: > > > On 2 June 2016 at 04:58, Sean DALY <<a ymailto="mailto:sdaly.be@gmail.com" href="mailto:sdaly.be@gmail.com">sdaly.be@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > > > > I myself don't see an upside with allowing random ads to be associated with > > > Sugar Labs, for the tiny amount of income we might receive. If indeed our US > > > nonprofit status through SFC would allow gains from advertising. > > > ___Far better to do Calls to Action ("CTA" in their jargon) and Annotations, > > > requesting donations.___ > > > > What data do you have to back up this assertion? :) > > Um, which assertion? Your assertion that SL would see more revenue from CTA compared to ads. Cheers Dave ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:06:16 -0600 From: Dave Crossland <<a ymailto="mailto:dave@lab6.com" href="mailto:dave@lab6.com">dave@lab6.com</a>> To: samson goddy <<a ymailto="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com" href="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com">samsongoddy@hotmail.com</a>> Cc: Sugar Labs Marketing <<a ymailto="mailto:marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org">marketing@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>>, sugar-devel <<a ymailto="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>>, "Sam P." <<a ymailto="mailto:sam.parkinson3@gmail.com" href="mailto:sam.parkinson3@gmail.com">sam.parkinson3@gmail.com</a>>, Samuel Greenfeld <<a ymailto="mailto:samuel@greenfeld.org" href="mailto:samuel@greenfeld.org">samuel@greenfeld.org</a>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Smart way to get $$ for posting videos on youtube Message-ID: <CAEozd0yX6HUKpKBuVzew5L9rqGb7xBfMEVnHovf=<a ymailto="mailto:w63daAAVbg@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:w63daAAVbg@mail.gmail.com">w63daAAVbg@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi! On 2 June 2016 at 18:28, samson goddy <<a ymailto="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com" href="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com">samsongoddy@hotmail.com</a>> wrote: > >> Samson, would you be willing to draft a policy, a regrouping plan, >> and a content plan? > > Sure I can do that, maybe me and you do work on it next week. That would be great! Would you prefer to use the wiki, github markdown files, an etherpad, or a google doc? :) Cheers Dave ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 08:52:15 +0200 From: Tony Anderson <<a ymailto="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Name object on Activity exit revisited Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:5751291F.4090207@usa.net" href="mailto:5751291F.4090207@usa.net">5751291F.4090207@usa.net</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Hi Sebastian I am not proposing to re-enable that feature. The purpose is to enable the user to provide a title for the Journal object. Why are we not using the alert which Utkarsh has implemented for the fiddle save? It works. It looks good. He has the code in hand. Tony On 06/02/2016 06:27 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote: > Hi, > > As part of Sugar-on-The-Ground GSoC project, Tony has proposed to > reenable the automatic save-as dialog that some found annoying when > exiting activities. > > The proposal is to add a 'don't save' option as a strategy to avoid > journal clutter. > > I would like to ask for input from the community on this topic. > > Also if somebody could point Utkarsh to the Sugar version where this was > removed so that he may find the code and start from there. After some > digging, I could not find it either in changelogs or in git history. If > I remember correctly this was removed in Dextrose first. > > Thanks in advance, > > Sebastian > > > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > <a ymailto="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 08:56:52 +0200 From: Tony Anderson <<a ymailto="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Name object on Activity exit revisited Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:57512A34.5040804@usa.net" href="mailto:57512A34.5040804@usa.net">57512A34.5040804@usa.net</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Hi, Walter Apparently I am being very careless in writing. The intent of this feature is to require a title supplied by the user before the object is saved. If the user changes the title in the activity palette, as per the originial design, the 'save as' alert is not needed. If the user does not care enough about the document to give it a name, then it need not be saved (as when one scribbles in Paint to try out a color, for example). It really has nothing to do with commit. That is done automatically when the activity quits if the user has given it a name. Currently in most of the XOs I look at, the Journal is full of 'Write activity' objects where the user has no chance to remember which one was which. Tony On 06/02/2016 07:36 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Sebastian Silva > <<a ymailto="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org" href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a>>> wrote: > > El 02/06/16 a las 11:37, Walter Bender escribió: > > > > > I don't recall there ever being a 'Don't Save" dialog. I do > recall the > > dialog to enter a "commit message" upon exit. I'm all for the > latter!!! > > Yes the proposal is a 'commit message' with a 'don't commit' option. I > was never a fan of the former but having the option would change > my mind. > > Can you help point Utkarsh to when this was removed? Thanks! > > > It was sometime before 0.96 because it was in that release I added the > "Write to Journal Anytime" feature. > > But I am confused as to what problem we are solving here. > > I think we should require commit messages in Sugar the same way we > require them in our own work. But that said, the decision to commit is > made numerous times through out the lifecycle of an activity, not just > at closing. For example, Turtle, Write, and many others will write > whenever the activity goes to the background. And Turtle saves > whenever you run code. 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