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Hi, Dave<br>
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No, I intended it to go to the list.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
<br>
Tony<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/30/2016 06:23 PM, Dave Crossland
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<div dir="ltr">Hi
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<div>did you intend to reply offlist?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 30 May 2016 at 01:23, Tony Anderson
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href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi, Dave<br>
<br>
My first impression of the vision proposal is that it
doesn't speak to the educational goal of Sugar. It doesn't
answer the question: Why Sugar?<br>
Why does anyone need Sugar? What are its goals and unique
contribution?<br>
<br>
Sugar is intended to fulfill an educational vision. Even
on the Sugar Labs website mention of Seymour Papert and
Alan Kay is relegated to the <br>
Education Team page and even then with no discussion of
their vision and how it relates to Sugar.<br>
<br>
It was developed as the learning environment for the XO to
provide improved educational opportunity <br>
for children who did not have access to digital
technology. <br>
<br>
Formal education tends to treat computers as advanced
typewriters to be taught as a subject.<br>
Sugar attempts to break that bond so that computers are
used actively to promote learning across all subjects.<span
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<br>
Tony<br>
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<div>On 05/30/2016 04:36 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:<br>
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<div>I want to return to this older thread because
of James Cameron's comment in <a
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href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/688#issuecomment-222393275"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/688#issuecomment-222393275">https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/688#issuecomment-222393275</a></a>
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<div>On the assumption that Sugar Labs is
dropping support for XO-1, I'll close this
pull request. Thanks for your time!</div>
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<div>But I understood from Tony and Adam in this
thread that Sugar Labs _should_ keep support
for the XO-1 as a goal. Adam said, </div>
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<div>In Haiti XO-1s will be dominant across
many schools for years and year to come.
Similar to Tony's description, but these
typically will be using 32GB SD cards --
thankfully these are incredibly
affordable. The resilience/repairability
of the XO-1 laptops is the absolutely
fascinating part. </div>
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<div>I think this goal is wise because it
ensures that Sugar runs well on the cheapest
computers - like the $10 <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://getchip.com/pages/pocketchip"
target="_blank">getchip.com/pages/pocketchip</a> and
$5 <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero"
target="_blank">https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero</a> -
and ensures performance is only better on
later XO models and 'regular'
desktops/laptops.</div>
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<div>I edited <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016"
target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016</a>
to reflect this. <br>
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<div>Cheers</div>
<div>Dave</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 April 2016 at
17:04, James Cameron <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org"
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span>On
Tue, Apr 05, 2016 at 07:37:45AM -0400,
Dave Crossland wrote:<br>
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> Hi James<br>
><br>
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<div>> On 1 April 2016 at 15:06,
James Cameron <[1]<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org">quozl@laptop.org</a></a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Let me spin you a tail.<br>
><br>
> The myth of forward human
development doesn't apply to software.<br>
><br>
> This is a parade of people,
several walking abreast, beside a slow<br>
> moving flat bed truck, all
holding on to a ribbon.<br>
><br>
> The truck is the world, and
the internet as it stands.<br>
><br>
> The first person, next to the
truck, are our learners or users.<br>
><br>
> The second person is Sugar
Labs; with our activities, and Sugar.<br>
><br>
> The third person is
distributions of Linux, like Fedora
and Ubuntu,<br>
><br>
> The fourth person are the
hardware vendors, like commodity
suppliers<br>
> or OLPC.<br>
><br>
> The fifth person are the
Linux kernel developers.<br>
><br>
> As the procession walks
beside the truck, the ribbon is not
always<br>
> straight.<br>
><br>
> Some people walk faster than
others. Some let go of the ribbon and<br>
> others take their place.<br>
><br>
> I'm glad you're here, you're
bringing a new perspective.<br>
><br>
> But the ribbon is actually
toilet paper, so the pressure to keep
up,<br>
> while real, doesn't get felt,
instead the paper breaks.<br>
><br>
> Do not target a rapidly
diminishing enthusiastic group, or the
future<br>
> users will suffer.<br>
><br>
> I'm sorry, I didn't fully
understand you here at the last line.
You had said<br>
> earlier,<br>
><br>
> > for the future of Sugar
Labs, they should be concentrating on<br>
> > later designs than one
from 2007 that is no longer available
and<br>
> > rapidly dying from old
age.<br>
><br>
> So you mean, it would be unwise
for Sugar Lab's
vision/mission/strategy for the<br>
> next 3-5 years to focus on
supporting the rapidly diminishing
(yet<br>
> enthusiastic) group of XO owners,
and focus on the future users who are
not XO<br>
> owners?<br>
<br>
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You might target this group of XO-1 owners
and become a closed<br>
community into which all communications
are judged against suitability<br>
for the majority (which would then be XO-1
owners).<br>
<br>
It would feel good! [warning, sarcasm in
this paragraph]<br>
<br>
I'm loath to battle the laws of physics,
'cause I know who wins.<br>
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--<br>
James Cameron<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://quozl.netrek.org/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://quozl.netrek.org/</a><br>
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