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    Hi, Dave<br>
    <br>
    No, I intended it to go to the list.<br>
    <br>
    Thanks,<br>
    <br>
    Tony<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/30/2016 06:23 PM, Dave Crossland
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi
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        <div>did you intend to reply offlist?</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 30 May 2016 at 01:23, Tony Anderson
          <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi, Dave<br>
              <br>
              My first impression of the vision proposal is that it
              doesn't speak to the educational goal of Sugar. It doesn't
              answer the question: Why Sugar?<br>
              Why does anyone need Sugar? What are its goals and unique
              contribution?<br>
              <br>
              Sugar is intended to fulfill an educational vision. Even
              on the Sugar Labs website mention of Seymour Papert and
              Alan Kay is relegated to the <br>
              Education Team page and even then with no discussion of
              their vision and how it relates to Sugar.<br>
              <br>
              It was developed as the learning environment for the XO to
              provide improved educational opportunity <br>
              for children who did not have access to digital
              technology. <br>
              <br>
              Formal education tends to treat computers as advanced
              typewriters to be taught as a subject.<br>
              Sugar attempts to break that bond so that computers are
              used actively to promote learning across all subjects.<span
                class=""><br>
                <br>
                Tony<br>
                <br>
                <div>On 05/30/2016 04:36 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">Hi
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                      <div>I want to return to this older thread because
                        of James Cameron's comment in <a
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href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/688#issuecomment-222393275"
                          target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/688#issuecomment-222393275">https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/688#issuecomment-222393275</a></a>
                        :</div>
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                          <div>On the assumption that Sugar Labs is
                            dropping support for XO-1, I'll close this
                            pull request. Thanks for your time!</div>
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                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>But I understood from Tony and Adam in this
                          thread that Sugar Labs _should_ keep support
                          for the XO-1 as a goal. Adam said, </div>
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                            <div>In Haiti XO-1s will be dominant across
                              many schools for years and year to come. 
                              Similar to Tony's description, but these
                              typically will be using 32GB SD cards --
                              thankfully these are incredibly
                              affordable. The resilience/repairability
                              of the XO-1 laptops is the absolutely
                              fascinating part. </div>
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                        <div>I think this goal is wise because it
                          ensures that Sugar runs well on the cheapest
                          computers - like the $10 <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://getchip.com/pages/pocketchip"
                            target="_blank">getchip.com/pages/pocketchip</a> and

                          $5 <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero"
                            target="_blank">https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero</a> -

                          and ensures performance is only better on
                          later XO models and 'regular'
                          desktops/laptops.</div>
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                        <div>I edited <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016"
                            target="_blank">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016</a>
                          to reflect this. <br>
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                        <div>Cheers</div>
                        <div>Dave</div>
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                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">On 5 April 2016 at
                            17:04, James Cameron <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org"
                                target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org">quozl@laptop.org</a></a>></span>
                            wrote:<br>
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                                Tue, Apr 05, 2016 at 07:37:45AM -0400,
                                Dave Crossland wrote:<br>
                                ><br>
                                > Hi James<br>
                                ><br>
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                              <div>
                                <div>> On 1 April 2016 at 15:06,
                                  James Cameron <[1]<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org"
                                    target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org">quozl@laptop.org</a></a>>

                                  wrote:<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  >     Let me spin you a tail.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  >     The myth of forward human
                                  development doesn't apply to software.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  >     This is a parade of people,
                                  several walking abreast, beside a slow<br>
                                  >     moving flat bed truck, all
                                  holding on to a ribbon.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  >     The truck is the world, and
                                  the internet as it stands.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  >     The first person, next to the
                                  truck, are our learners or users.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  >     The second person is Sugar
                                  Labs; with our activities, and Sugar.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  >     The third person is
                                  distributions of Linux, like Fedora
                                  and Ubuntu,<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  >     The fourth person are the
                                  hardware vendors, like commodity
                                  suppliers<br>
                                  >     or OLPC.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  >     The fifth person are the
                                  Linux kernel developers.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  >     As the procession walks
                                  beside the truck, the ribbon is not
                                  always<br>
                                  >     straight.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  >     Some people walk faster than
                                  others.  Some let go of the ribbon and<br>
                                  >     others take their place.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  >     I'm glad you're here, you're
                                  bringing a new perspective.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  >     But the ribbon is actually
                                  toilet paper, so the pressure to keep
                                  up,<br>
                                  >     while real, doesn't get felt,
                                  instead the paper breaks.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  >     Do not target a rapidly
                                  diminishing enthusiastic group, or the
                                  future<br>
                                  >     users will suffer.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > I'm sorry, I didn't fully
                                  understand you here at the last line.
                                  You had said<br>
                                  > earlier,<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > >     for the future of Sugar
                                  Labs, they should be concentrating on<br>
                                  > >     later designs than one
                                  from 2007 that is no longer available
                                  and<br>
                                  > >     rapidly dying from old
                                  age.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > So you mean, it would be unwise
                                  for Sugar Lab's
                                  vision/mission/strategy for the<br>
                                  > next 3-5 years to focus on
                                  supporting the rapidly diminishing
                                  (yet<br>
                                  > enthusiastic) group of XO owners,
                                  and focus on the future users who are
                                  not XO<br>
                                  > owners?<br>
                                  <br>
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                              You might target this group of XO-1 owners
                              and become a closed<br>
                              community into which all communications
                              are judged against suitability<br>
                              for the majority (which would then be XO-1
                              owners).<br>
                              <br>
                              It would feel good!  [warning, sarcasm in
                              this paragraph]<br>
                              <br>
                              I'm loath to battle the laws of physics,
                              'cause I know who wins.<br>
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                                  --<br>
                                  James Cameron<br>
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                                    href="http://quozl.netrek.org/"
                                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://quozl.netrek.org/</a><br>
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                          -- <br>
                          <div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Cheers<br>
                            Dave</div>
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        -- <br>
        <div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Cheers<br>
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