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Hi, Dave<br>
<br>
I am not sure I understand your reference to 'cheapest computers'.
As far as I can tell, the Raspberry Pi Zero is a scam. The
pocketchip illustrates <br>
the problem with the Raspberry Pi. Once you add the components
needed to make a useful, deployable computer - the cost is greater
than that of <br>
an XO.<br>
<br>
I have yet to see a computer on the market that offers the
capabilities of the XO for olpc deployments.<br>
<br>
On a separate note. I looked at the Vision proposal. It certainly
deserves a close look. However, I tried to find out what are 'best
practices' only to <br>
be shown a perfect example of very bad practice. I followed a series
of links only to find not one explained what a best practice is or
who decides on <br>
what is 'best'. I hope we can do a better job of documentation than
that.<br>
<br>
Tony<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/30/2016 04:36 AM, Dave Crossland
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAEozd0w=iOtkVL4CbjBZMxy8jHWBYw+uAhU48pXx7i7HLmDDpw@mail.gmail.com"
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<div dir="ltr">Hi
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I want to return to this older thread because of James
Cameron's comment in <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/688#issuecomment-222393275">https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/688#issuecomment-222393275</a>
:</div>
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<div>
<div>On the assumption that Sugar Labs is dropping support
for XO-1, I'll close this pull request. Thanks for your
time!</div>
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<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But I understood from Tony and Adam in this thread that
Sugar Labs _should_ keep support for the XO-1 as a goal.
Adam said, </div>
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<div>In Haiti XO-1s will be dominant across many schools
for years and year to come. Similar to Tony's
description, but these typically will be using 32GB SD
cards -- thankfully these are incredibly affordable. The
resilience/repairability of the XO-1 laptops is the
absolutely fascinating part. </div>
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<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think this goal is wise because it ensures that Sugar
runs well on the cheapest computers - like the $10 <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://getchip.com/pages/pocketchip">getchip.com/pages/pocketchip</a> and
$5 <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero">https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero</a> -
and ensures performance is only better on later XO models
and 'regular' desktops/laptops.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I edited <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016</a>
to reflect this. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers</div>
<div>Dave</div>
<div><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 April 2016 at 17:04, James
Cameron <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org" target="_blank">quozl@laptop.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On
Tue, Apr 05, 2016 at 07:37:45AM -0400, Dave Crossland
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi James<br>
><br>
</span>
<div>
<div class="h5">> On 1 April 2016 at 15:06, James
Cameron <[1]<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:quozl@laptop.org">quozl@laptop.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Let me spin you a tail.<br>
><br>
> The myth of forward human development
doesn't apply to software.<br>
><br>
> This is a parade of people, several walking
abreast, beside a slow<br>
> moving flat bed truck, all holding on to a
ribbon.<br>
><br>
> The truck is the world, and the internet as
it stands.<br>
><br>
> The first person, next to the truck, are
our learners or users.<br>
><br>
> The second person is Sugar Labs; with our
activities, and Sugar.<br>
><br>
> The third person is distributions of Linux,
like Fedora and Ubuntu,<br>
><br>
> The fourth person are the hardware vendors,
like commodity suppliers<br>
> or OLPC.<br>
><br>
> The fifth person are the Linux kernel
developers.<br>
><br>
> As the procession walks beside the truck,
the ribbon is not always<br>
> straight.<br>
><br>
> Some people walk faster than others. Some
let go of the ribbon and<br>
> others take their place.<br>
><br>
> I'm glad you're here, you're bringing a new
perspective.<br>
><br>
> But the ribbon is actually toilet paper, so
the pressure to keep up,<br>
> while real, doesn't get felt, instead the
paper breaks.<br>
><br>
> Do not target a rapidly diminishing
enthusiastic group, or the future<br>
> users will suffer.<br>
><br>
> I'm sorry, I didn't fully understand you here
at the last line. You had said<br>
> earlier,<br>
><br>
> > for the future of Sugar Labs, they
should be concentrating on<br>
> > later designs than one from 2007 that
is no longer available and<br>
> > rapidly dying from old age.<br>
><br>
> So you mean, it would be unwise for Sugar Lab's
vision/mission/strategy for the<br>
> next 3-5 years to focus on supporting the
rapidly diminishing (yet<br>
> enthusiastic) group of XO owners, and focus on
the future users who are not XO<br>
> owners?<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
You might target this group of XO-1 owners and become a
closed<br>
community into which all communications are judged
against suitability<br>
for the majority (which would then be XO-1 owners).<br>
<br>
It would feel good! [warning, sarcasm in this
paragraph]<br>
<br>
I'm loath to battle the laws of physics, 'cause I know
who wins.<br>
<div class="">
<div class="h5"><br>
--<br>
James Cameron<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://quozl.netrek.org/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://quozl.netrek.org/</a><br>
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-- <br>
<div class="gmail_signature"
data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Cheers<br>
Dave</div>
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