On May 7, 2016 3:33 PM, "Lionel Laské" <<a href="mailto:lionel.laske@gmail.com">lionel.laske@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > > Disagree. > > Thought I understand that 500$ is lot of money for some people, I think that GSoC is also a way for SugarLabs to raise money. Because we don't ask for an annual fee to member (like other association, for example OLPC France), it's even the only way to hope for a regular contribution. Indeed, Google chose to pay "mentoring organizations" rather mentors, for exactly the reasons Lionel lays out. If Google wanted to pay GSoC stipends instead, it would have done exactly that, using the word stipend, and incurring the very significant accounting/managerial/compliance costs of managing such stipends. Google (GSoC) did Not make that choice, though conceivably in future Google should consider international transactions direct to Mentors? Until that distant day, mentors/tutors/teachers are insufficiently recognized, just like the mentoring organization is insufficiently recognized, in the constructionist ethos especially we are all learning ;-) In conclusion, I abstain because my own opinion is that a $500 pass-thru to the mentor shows a lack of respect for the organization/ops backstopping of our overall *joint* efforts ~ in the same way that $500 to the organization shows a similar lack of respect for certain particularly dedicated mentors. Personally I'd be in favor of splitting $500 GSoC payments between organization and mentors-in-need ($250 each) particularly those mentors in low-income countries (of those most demonstrably catalyzed by a $250 Honorarium) if such a consensus later emerges. Lionel's warning should not be ignored, if anyone cares about inter-generational leadership: in the apprentice system the parents of mentees who can afford it would very happily Pay Sugar Labs (Mentoring Organization), much like users of Wikipedia happily Pay annual donations, much like members of OLPC France happily Pay for something they believe in... (What other learning economies surround us, that we may not even realize??) > Best regards from France. > > Lionel. > > > 2016-05-07 1:49 GMT+02:00 Walter Bender <<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>>: >> >> At today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting [1], we discussed the motion submitted by Sebastian Silva to allow the mentors participating in Google Summer of Code to disperse the mentor stipend among themselves as they see fit. I second the motion and bring it to you in an email vote. >> >> Background: Every year, Google provides mentoring organizations with a stipend for the mentors. In our first year of participation in the program, Sugar Labs mentors agreed to have the stipend directed to the Sugar Labs general funds. We have followed the same procedure in subsequent years. This year, however, several mentors asked if they could have access to the stipends (which are allocated per student internship). We discussed this at the meeting and agreed that it would be appropriate to offer these funds as compensation and thanks to the mentors for their time and expertise (there were no objections raised). We need to vote on this however, since the funds are given to the mentoring organization, not the individual mentors. >> >> Members of the oversight board, please reply to this email solicitation for a vote on the following motion. (Note that since I am a mentor, I think I must recuse myself from the vote.) >> >> Motion: to allow the mentors participating in Google Summer of Code to disperse the mentor stipend among themselves as they see fit. >> >> regards. >> >> -walter >> >> [1] <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2016-05-06">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2016-05-06</a> >> >> >> -- >> Walter Bender >> Sugar Labs >> <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SLOBs mailing list >> <a href="mailto:SLOBs@lists.sugarlabs.org">SLOBs@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> >> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs</a> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> >