<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461237675623_77494">Another +1 for the motion.</div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"> </div><div style="display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461237675623_78454" class="yahoo_quoted"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461237675623_78453" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461237675623_78452" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461237675623_78474" class="y_msg_container">>Please add any changes that your proposed model requires, directly into the >Spreadsheet attached and keep sharing it, so we can all easily understand. >Note the Spreadsheed does not contemplate any rent/acquisition for >equipment. <div>>Cheers!</div><div> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461237675623_79751">I think there should be cost for that @Samson - Please reply for plans for the venue of the SLOB meeting.</div> 2016-04-21 21:16 GMT+08:00 Claudia Urrea <<a ymailto="mailto:calla@media.mit.edu" href="mailto:calla@media.mit.edu">calla@media.mit.edu</a>>: > +1 from me. They should be separated, so we can move forward. > > Claudia > _____________________________________ > Claudia Urrea, Ph.D > Research Scientist, Media Lab > Massachusetts Institute of Technology > Ph: (617) 253.0587 (Off), (617) 510.5278 (cell) > <a ymailto="mailto:calla@media.mit.edu" href="mailto:calla@media.mit.edu">calla@media.mit.edu</a> > > > On Apr 21, 2016, at 9:15 AM, samson goddy <<a ymailto="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com" href="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com">samsongoddy@hotmail.com</a>> wrote: > > + 1 for that motion > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 08:37:53 -0400 > Subject: Re: [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] Samson's proposal to SLOBs > From: <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461237675623_79956" ymailto="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com">walter.bender@gmail.com</a> > To: <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461237675623_79955" ymailto="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com" href="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com">samsongoddy@hotmail.com</a> > CC: <a ymailto="mailto:cjlhomeaddress@gmail.com" href="mailto:cjlhomeaddress@gmail.com">cjlhomeaddress@gmail.com</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:dave@lab6.com" href="mailto:dave@lab6.com">dave@lab6.com</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:holt@unleashkids.org" href="mailto:holt@unleashkids.org">holt@unleashkids.org</a>; > <a ymailto="mailto:sora@unleashkids.org" href="mailto:sora@unleashkids.org">sora@unleashkids.org</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>; > <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461237675623_79872" ymailto="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com" href="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com">samsongoddy@gmail.com</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:lionel@olpc-france.org" href="mailto:lionel@olpc-france.org">lionel@olpc-france.org</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:slobs@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:slobs@lists.sugarlabs.org">slobs@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>; > <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461237675623_79873" ymailto="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org">laura@somosazucar.org</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:nicestep@gmail.com" href="mailto:nicestep@gmail.com">nicestep@gmail.com</a>; > <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461237675623_78968" ymailto="mailto:calla@media.mit.edu" href="mailto:calla@media.mit.edu">calla@media.mit.edu</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:tch@sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:tch@sugarlabs.org">tch@sugarlabs.org</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:tony@olenepal.org" href="mailto:tony@olenepal.org">tony@olenepal.org</a>; > <a ymailto="mailto:canoe.berry@yahoo.com" href="mailto:canoe.berry@yahoo.com">canoe.berry@yahoo.com</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:tim@timmoody.com" href="mailto:tim@timmoody.com">tim@timmoody.com</a>; > <a ymailto="mailto:godiard@sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:godiard@sugarlabs.org">godiard@sugarlabs.org</a> > > Can we agree to the model Chris proposed for the i18n work on Yoruba and > setting the issue of the equipment separately? Then Samson and his team can > get started without the expected delays of dealing with how best to get > more hardware to him. > > regards. > > -walter > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 6:48 AM, samson goddy <<a ymailto="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com" href="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com">samsongoddy@hotmail.com</a>> > wrote: > > I don't see why people are still debating on this issue. I raise a > proposal where i chose Walter, Chris, Dave and Laura to help me in the > proposal. I don't see why this issue is still on debate. Let me clear > something to everyone, Nigeria is so different from any other country when > it comes to getting a tech related things. > > So i done my best in answering questions about my project and i feel it > costing me a lot of $$ in the cyber cafe that why i chose this people to > help me. I don't see why this project is taking a lot of time because for > me it very simple May is around the corner. I intend to do this are soon as > 12 weeks or a month probably. Because this year is very tight for me. I am > planing workshops for SL in Lagos and Port Harcourt. Delaying this project > will only cost me not SLOBs or anyone. I am an undergraduate student not > graduate, so i got a lot of things to do. So i don't thing waiting for the > next meeting will do me no good. > > Samson G > > > From: <a ymailto="mailto:cjlhomeaddress@gmail.com" href="mailto:cjlhomeaddress@gmail.com">cjlhomeaddress@gmail.com</a> > > Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 01:39:58 -0400 > > To: <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461237675623_78964" ymailto="mailto:dave@lab6.com" href="mailto:dave@lab6.com">dave@lab6.com</a> > > CC: <a ymailto="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com" href="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com">samsongoddy@hotmail.com</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:holt@unleashkids.org" href="mailto:holt@unleashkids.org">holt@unleashkids.org</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:sora@unleashkids.org" href="mailto:sora@unleashkids.org">sora@unleashkids.org</a>; > <a ymailto="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com" href="mailto:samsongoddy@gmail.com">samsongoddy@gmail.com</a>; > <a ymailto="mailto:lionel@olpc-france.org" href="mailto:lionel@olpc-france.org">lionel@olpc-france.org</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:slobs@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:slobs@lists.sugarlabs.org">slobs@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>; > <a ymailto="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org" href="mailto:laura@somosazucar.org">laura@somosazucar.org</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:canoe.berry@yahoo.com" href="mailto:canoe.berry@yahoo.com">canoe.berry@yahoo.com</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com" href="mailto:cbigenho@hotmail.com">cbigenho@hotmail.com</a>; > <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461237675623_79874" ymailto="mailto:nicestep@gmail.com" href="mailto:nicestep@gmail.com">nicestep@gmail.com</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:calla@media.mit.edu" href="mailto:calla@media.mit.edu">calla@media.mit.edu</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:tch@sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:tch@sugarlabs.org">tch@sugarlabs.org</a>; > <a ymailto="mailto:tony@olenepal.org" href="mailto:tony@olenepal.org">tony@olenepal.org</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org">iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>; <a ymailto="mailto:tim@timmoody.com" href="mailto:tim@timmoody.com">tim@timmoody.com</a>; > <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461237675623_78956" ymailto="mailto:godiard@sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:godiard@sugarlabs.org">godiard@sugarlabs.org</a> > > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Samson's proposal to SLOBs > > > > I worked with Samson to refine a narrower proposal that has been > > presented to the SLOB by email. It is for the SLOB or Samson to > > decide how / when to share it with the wider community. It is for the > > SLOB to determine the how / when of discussing the proposal. I am > > confident that all details will be public before any decision is > > taken, I would characterize them as generally similar to previously > > funded translation work, specific terms of which have been shared > > previously. > > > > cjl > > > > cjl > > > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Dave Crossland <<a ymailto="mailto:dave@lab6.com" href="mailto:dave@lab6.com">dave@lab6.com</a>> wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > > > Its been 2 weeks since this thread was last updated; has anything else > > > happened to move the proposal forward? Am I right that this will be > decided > > > on at the next SLOB meeting? > I don't think that is necessary, because there is no time to wait for may. > > > > > > > Samson, some more questions below: > > > > > > On 6 April 2016 at 08:00, samson goddy <<a ymailto="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com" href="mailto:samsongoddy@hotmail.com">samsongoddy@hotmail.com</a>> > wrote: > > >> > > >> Thanks for the question Dave, Let me explain why the Yoruba came with > > >> the price $6,000. Originally, The Yoruba come with a price of 1500 > USD. > > >> About the Internet plan in Nigeria is quite expensive. Like i told > Tony, > > >> getting a portable internet connection plus the device cost about > $300 a > > >> month. > > > > > > > > > Which provider/offer is this? :) > > > > > >> > > >> I also explained that getting anything related to tech is also > expensive > > >> in Nigeria. For example getting an iphone6 plus might cost about > $700-800 in > > >> USA or amazon, with the current exchange rate of 200 Nigerian naira > to 1 > > >> dollar doesn't make everything in Nigeria cheaper. To get that same > phone in > > >> Nigeria is about 250,000 naira here in Nigeria that about 1255.0225 US > > >> Dollar, you see the difference. India or USA is not Nigeria these > country > > >> has a stable economy. You could do you research about Nigeria economy > > >> currently and see for yourself. > > > > > > > > > I understand - India is pretty similar to that :) > > > > > > Is the breakdown of the $6k something like this? > > > > > > $1,500 translation > > > $ 900 portable net @ $300/month x 3 months > > > $3,600 laptops > > > > > > If there are other items, it seems the laptop is surely a larger item > in the > > > breakdown. So I wonder about the possibility of leasing/renting > laptops. Eg > > > I found <a href="http://xtramindsconcept.com.ng/laptops" target="_blank">http://xtramindsconcept.com.ng/laptops </a>who advertise they > leased a > > > classroom of laptops to Google Nigeria. While that is in Lagos, I > expect if > > > you can visit a dozen computer repair shops, you could probably charm > one of > > > them to rent you some old stock for a good price. > > > > > > And there's also the 2nd hand market. Looking on olx.com I found a > couple of > > > nearly-new laptops for around USD$400 in Port Harcourt: > > > > > > > <a href="https://www.olx.com.ng/ad/1-month-used-hp-pavilion-dv7-corei7-with-radeon-graphics-beat-audio-ID15HCC1.html" target="_blank">https://www.olx.com.ng/ad/1-month-used-hp-pavilion-dv7-corei7-with-radeon-graphics-beat-audio-ID15HCC1.html</a> > > > > > > > <a href="https://www.olx.com.ng/ad/7months-old-hp-pavillion-for-sale-ID15I6yI.html" target="_blank">https://www.olx.com.ng/ad/7months-old-hp-pavillion-for-sale-ID15I6yI.html</a> > > > (although you might also need that charm, "Carefully and softly used > by a > > > girl and so I wish a girl will also buy it" it says ;) > > I propose not to use anything from OLX because 1, they are not trusted and > all are fraudsters. I am saying this because i was a victim for about 9,000 > Naira ($45) when i was trying to purchase a smart phone. I already know a > trusted market that i can purchase the laptops. > > > > > > I also find the $300/month mobile data cost high. How many Gb of data > will > > > you need? > > > > > > It seems that, new, its N15,000 ($USD75) for a hotspot wifi - > > > <a href="http://www.gloworld.com/ng/personal/devices/portable-wifi-routers/" target="_blank">http://www.gloworld.com/ng/personal/devices/portable-wifi-routers/ </a>- > and > > > N5,000 (USD$25) for 5Gb of data - > > > <a href="http://www.gloworld.com/ng/personal/data/data-plans/" target="_blank">http://www.gloworld.com/ng/personal/data/data-plans/ </a>- which can be > doubled > > > by working on a "campus" - > > > <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461237675623_78838" href="http://www.gloworld.com/ng/personal/data/glo-campus-data-booster/" target="_blank">http://www.gloworld.com/ng/personal/data/glo-campus-data-booster/ </a>- > and such > > > hotspots can also be bought for around 1/3 of that price on olx.com > > One of the bad choices of internet is Glo, one it very slow and the > coverage is bad that why their data is cheaper and plus the campus data > plan only work on when you are in any university in Nigeria. Which i am not. > <a href="https://smile.com.ng/product/unlimited-smifi/" target="_blank">https://smile.com.ng/product/unlimited-smifi/ </a>i intend to use this > service provided instead. > > > > > > Finally, how many translators would be involved for the $1,500, which > is > > > spent over 12 weeks? :) > 3 translators including me. > > > > > > >> "Can some of these XO laptops be recovered/recycled. The owners are > now in > > >> their late teens and probably wanting to use smartphones or standard > > >> laptops. They may be willing to sell them for a relatively small > amount > > >> given that the local demand for XOs is probably negligible. These > could be > > >> refurbished and deployed either to support a local hackerspace or to > supply > > >> enough for one class at a local school."? yes they can. Those who > don't want > > >> to use the xo any more normally give them to their young ones to use. > > > > > > > > > That's great! :) > > > > > >> > > >> "Finally, I think it would be cool to think about this funding as > > >> investment, rather than just straight funding. You are going go > through the > > >> effort of finding people to translate, teaching them about Sugar, > getting > > >> new hardware for Sugar related projects, etc etc! It is a lot :) So, > if you > > >> do all that, I recommend thinking about how to use that built up > energy and > > >> value in a way that can move towards self-funding this kind of > effort. For > > >> example, offering workshops business model, because the risks can be > > >> minimized and it can have low overheads, and there are several > markets for > > >> them - eg, offering sugar workshops to wealthier communities of > parents who > > >> are passionate about these languages; or, partnering with existing IT > > >> training businesses."? Yes that is want i have in mind to do. > > > > > > > > > :D > > > > > >> > > >> Yes i would create Sugar Labs workshops, in Port Harcourt probably in > > >> other parts of Nigeria too. These workshop will bring more users to > the > > >> sugar community, uses the xo's, Sugar on stick, sugarizer. It will be > a > > >> whole new word for Nigerians. I already find partners for the > workshop. And > > >> also i would really like if some one from Sugar Labs community will be > > >> present too e.g like walter for Musics Blocks and Turtle art JS. Also > most > > >> of this questions you are answer is already been answered. I am > spending a > > >> lot of $ in cyber cafe. So i can't really answer all your questions. > like i > > >> said before SLOBs should invest in this proposal probably this > April(i am > > >> not forcing the issue) so that things can be done quicker. and i can > be able > > >> to start planing for workshops. > > > > > > > > > I am not a SLOB (nor even am I a Member, yet :) but I would like to see > > > that, even if the primary purpose of the funds is translation, that > this > > > proposal can catalyse the nigeria deployments "graduates" into > contributors > > > - hopefully long term. > > > > > > So I'd like to suggest that you add more of these ideas into the > proposal > > > document, so that it can be turned into a motion at the next SLOB > meeting. > > > > > > -- > > > Cheers > > > Samson > > _______________________________________________ > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > <a ymailto="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > > <a id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1461237675623_79875" href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> > > _______________________________________________ > SLOBs mailing list > <a ymailto="mailto:SLOBs@lists.sugarlabs.org" href="mailto:SLOBs@lists.sugarlabs.org">SLOBs@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs</a> > > > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > <a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org/" target="_blank">http://www.sugarlabs.org</a> > > > -- Laura V. 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