<div dir="ltr">@ Tony, the GUI changes have been reverted to the original "Register / Register again" buttons. :) </div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Tony Anderson <<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jerry, I apologize for the word absurd. That was emotional. I should have used the 24 hour rule. The backup capability is limited to the XO since it is based on its serial-number. If may become applicable to SOAS by providing a generated serial-number for non-XO platforms. "Please tell me that this is not being deployed, and you are just comparing old versions." My point was only to show that ds_backup has been a part of Sugar since before SugarLabs, but yes it is being deployed. Of course, I am free to 'roll' my own images. However, I use what I have from Sugarlabs (currently 13.2.5), adding capabilities that I believe are needed by deployments. This same process applies to xsce (currently xsce6) as well. Tony<div><div class="h5"> On 04/18/2016 10:59 AM, Jerry Vonau wrote: </div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"> Hi Tony, <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> On April 17, 2016 at 9:06 PM Tony Anderson <<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>> wrote: Hi, Dave It is absurd for reasons I have specified the first time James made this statement. </blockquote> Please don't use language such as 'absurd' please, I would personally find that offensive if it were directed towards me or my ideas. You are not gaining anything by doing that, just cutting down a skilled developer. <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> The two scripts are in /usr/bin. They are invoked by the installed Sugar image. </blockquote> That 'sugar' image was assembled by somebody who used the OLPC supplied rpms, and are only available on the XOs, not on SoaS or to my knowledge anywhere else. <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> The scripts are enabled by /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/The status is specified in /home/olpc/.sugar/defaults. I have in front of me an XO-1 with Build 85 (Sugar 0.82.1). If has the two scripts in /usr/bin. </blockquote> ^^^^^^^^ Please tell me that this is not being deployed, and you are just comparing old versions. <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> This version used a file config in /home/olpc/.sugar/default (pre-dating gconf, let alone gsetting). This file contains: [Server] backup1 = SHC84201B0A@schoolserver.linuxtag:backup . The real problem is not the absurdity of claiming that ds_backup is not part of Sugar but that the statement attempts to close community discussion. I grant it may not be a capability important to James, but it is to me. I have great respect for James Cameron's technical capabilities. I can also understand if he does not feel that this feature scratches his itch (or serves the needs of his employer). However, this does not entitle him to impose his judgment on the community. </blockquote> You are always free to roll your own image or alter preexisting images in the fashion that you do now to add that functionality back if it disappears. OSBuilder is your friend. Jerry <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Tony On 04/18/2016 08:54 AM, Dave Crossland wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Hi Tony On 14 April 2016 at 04:43, Tony Anderson <<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>>> wrote: However this is the second time he has claimed that the backup does not have anything to do with Sugar. An absurd position. Perhaps, but as a fellow newbie, it is not obvious to me why this position is absurd. Since it seems important for people to understand, perhaps you could explain it on the wiki or developer documentation somewhere? :) James is excellent technically, but very new to the community and with limited understanding of the history or field use of the systems. That's also my impression He probably is not aware that OLPC before the Sugar splinter proposed to actually build a hardware school server. Since I was very marginally involved in the OLPC community in 2007 I do remember this, and I see the <a href="https://github.com/XSCE/xsce" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/XSCE/xsce</a> codebase is very actively recently :) -- Cheers Dave </blockquote> _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> </blockquote></div></div> . </blockquote><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"> _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org</a> <a href="http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel</a> </div></div></blockquote></div> </div>