<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Hi Sebastian,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-04-07 16:19 GMT+02:00 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sugar-devel-request@lists.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank">sugar-devel-request@lists.sugarlabs.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 09:15:06 -0500<br>
From: Sebastian Silva <<a href="mailto:sebastian@fuentelibre.org">sebastian@fuentelibre.org</a>><br>
To: Dave Crossland <<a href="mailto:dave@lab6.com">dave@lab6.com</a>>, Tony Anderson<br>
<<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re:<br>
The future of Sugar on XO-1s)<br>
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I had a real interesting experience rooting my daugther's Fire Kids<br>
Edition that grandma gave for her bday.<br>
I rooted it once. But there was a program to auto update it and then it<br>
had an android 5 further locked down device. Found another root hack out<br>
of it and made sure to stop and completely remove the autoupdater. Most<br>
of this process had to be done offline otherwise the tablet would<br>
download updates and reboot locked.<br>
We removed all of the Amazon apps and installed only free software,<br>
including camera, gallery, file browser and home shell. There are nice<br>
android educational apps from f-droid (the only library/app store we<br>
have installed). The problem with Sugarizer as a shell is that it can<br>
only run sugarizer Activities (Sugar Web Activities) and not the Android<br>
apps. These activities are very limited on a first experience.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>You're right, running Android app from Sugarizer is a must have.</div><div>It's why I've imagined with Michaël the "Sugarizer OS" [1] project that hopefully we'll could do during GSoC.</div><div>Sugarizer OS will take the place of the Google/Amazon Launcher so users will be able to launch both Sugarizer and Android application.</div><div>I'm specifically interested by Android version of GCompris and Scratch JR.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
I'll try to file bugs as I observe the children play with paint for<br>
instance (which lacks very important undo functionality for instance).<br>
Mariana made a square and a house in TurtleJS but then it crashed. It<br>
seems to do that often and she has not figured out the Journal yet which<br>
is very well hidden.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What Sugarizer version are you using ?</div><div>Sugarizer Paint include an Undo feature, see here [2].</div><div><br></div><div> Lionel.</div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2016#Sugarizer">https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2016#Sugarizer</a> </div><div>[2] <a href="http://server.sugarizer.org">http://server.sugarizer.org</a></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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El 07/04/16 a las 08:03, Dave Crossland escribió:<br>
> Hi Tony<br>
><br>
> Don't get me wrong, what I am excited about is being able to buy up<br>
> Amazon's subsidised hardware and rip out their Android distro and put<br>
> in a clean one. I'm not sure about putting in a GNU/Linux, a clean<br>
> Android/Linux distro seems more likely to go smoothly.<br>
><br>
> As I understood them, there were some GSOC proposals for making<br>
> Sugarizer into an Android shell, that would be make this strategy even<br>
> more viable.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 6 April 2016 at 23:46, Tony Anderson <<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Actually not. The problem is that I really believe the deployed<br>
> system needs to be free, meaning the deployment needs to pay no<br>
> subscription fees or royalties to continue to use the device.<br>
> Microsoft (and other vendors) suffer from the buy once model. All<br>
> of them are trying to find a way to get a stable revenue stream as<br>
> the telecoms do. Technically, the 'cloud' is a sham. There is no<br>
> way to provide a computer which is 50 times faster than the one in<br>
> your hand. So having users execute code on a server is a<br>
> non-starter. HTML is ok because the work is done on the client.<br>
> Cloud storage is ok because the server action is as a file server,<br>
> low processor overhead. Formatting Word documents on a server is<br>
> not economical - unless that is your source of revenue.<br>
><br>
> Durability yes, but the price premium is 2x. There will (and<br>
> probably are) a plethora of 'head start' computers with such<br>
> packages. However, with Sugar and a school server, we already put<br>
> them to shame.<br>
><br>
> Tony<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 04/07/2016 11:24 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On 6 April 2016 at 20:49, Tony Anderson <<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Our need is a deployable device - one that can be purchased<br>
>> in quantities of 30+.<br>
>> If we develop a technique to install Sugar on such a device,<br>
>> that can be done for all of them at<br>
>> the time of deployment. So, if anyone can find a suitable<br>
>> tablet with a manageable price (less than $100)<br>
>> and can install Sugar on it from a usb drive - it would be a<br>
>> boon.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> :D<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Sora Edwards-Thro is planning a deployment with the $50<br>
>> Kindle Fire (an Android derivative). Her intent<br>
>> is to use Sugarizer. I would recommend adding the GCompris<br>
>> Android version. What she really needs is<br>
>> a Sugarized version of the WriteBook activity. So far, no one<br>
>> has stepped up to take that on. Naturally, the strategic<br>
>> interest is how well the Kindle supports learning.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Fascinating!<br>
>><br>
>> I see<br>
>> <a href="http://gizmodo.com/amazons-50-fire-tablet-is-the-impulse-buy-that-never-e-1731275123" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://gizmodo.com/amazons-50-fire-tablet-is-the-impulse-buy-that-never-e-1731275123</a><br>
>> from 2015-09-17:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> If what you’re really looking for is durability, though, the<br>
>> $100 Fire Kids Edition is the one you probably want. Big,<br>
>> lifeproof rubber bumper, a 2-year no-questions-asked<br>
>> replacement policy, a kid-friendly web browser you can turn<br>
>> off or add whitelisted sites to, and 10,000 pre-approved<br>
>> titles for junior to safely watch.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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> Dave<br>
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