<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Dave Crossland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave@lab6.com" target="_blank">dave@lab6.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Hi Adam!</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On 1 April 2016 at 01:24, Adam Holt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:holt@laptop.org" target="_blank">holt@laptop.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>In Haiti XO-1s will be dominant across many schools for years and year to come. Similar to Tony's description, but these typically will be using 32GB SD cards -- thankfully these are incredibly affordable.</div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>What is the typical price the XO-1 units you are prepping for Haiti? Cost of postage + 32Gb SD card + repair (volunteered labor?) + distribution to Haiti?</div><span class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div class="gmail_extra">The resilience/repairability of the XO-1 laptops is the absolutely fascinating part. Regardless if historians of technology will look down their noses from the Rich West's / Rich East's de facto preference for one-upmanship (throwaway cute gadgets). Or conversely if they will look back from Poor/Southern Nations' de facto environmentalism/repair principles -- purposefully appropriating and re-appropriating a technologies beyond their intended use.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div>I think idea of the extra screws in the lids was a good one :)</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Mary Lou Jepsen's idea. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div class="gmail_extra">Generally if the mouse issue is solved on early XO-1 laptops (where early 2007/2008 touchpads were overly annoyingly erratic) then these laptops continue to long outlast their projected 5-year-lifespan -- if the culture of learning & electricity are real -- not just adding a USB mouse! I was one of several who did not believe in 2007 that a 5-year-lifespan was at all feasible. But I turned out to be completely wrong. And then some~<br></div></div></div></blockquote></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>A layer of Scotch tape remedies the trackpad problem in many cases.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Having played with an XO-1 more over the last weekend than I did when I got one in 2008, I must say that I think the interaction with the XO in eBook reader mode seems an interesting opportunity. A non-pointer based computer could still have a lot of life in it. </div><div><br></div><div>You later said,</div><span class=""><div><br></div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_extra">Repair of keyboards/ears and occasional screens is of course also an issue when usage is very physical among those who won't give kin(esth)etic learning a break, as every librarian for the last hundred years has known ;-)</div></blockquote></div><div><br></div></span><div>I also wonder what can be done with a XO-1 without ears, or without keyboards :D</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The keyboard is more robust than most think. In PY and NE kids repair them by putting paper over the buttons under the rubber membrane.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>The 5 year lifespan idea is interesting! </div><div><br></div><div>Later in the thread Tony said,</div><span class=""><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">It will be difficult, but essential for the community to find people who are willing to take on the challenge of maintaining and, where possible, expanding the educational experience that the XO can offer. </span></blockquote><div> </div></span><div>Okay, sure, but for how many years does this make sense for XO-1s? I think probably another 10. That is to say, the actual lifespan of the XO-1 product is not 5 years but 20, that we are now at year 10, and there's another 10 years to go.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm pretty happy with that as an answer to my original question: "sunset planning" for Sugar on XO-1s means figuring out a plan for keeping all the XO-1s out there useful for _something_ for another 10 years. </div><div><br></div><div>This planning has to be done in the context is what is expected to happen in the next 10 years. RMS has categorically given up on thinking about what might be about to happen, and refuses to answer speculative questions about the future publicly because it is a sure way to look foolish. But I don't mind looking foolish, so I'll say that what I think is about to happen in the next 10 years :) </div><div><br></div><div>A lot of the people in the global south are going to get access to cheap solar electricity, cheap Android computing devices, and some degree of cheap network connectivity. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not until the XO-4 is the power footprint really that we were initially targeting. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>I think this will happen because, as the rate of profit continues to fall, then, to try to survive, all state capitals will seek to create the kind of pervasive mass surveillance now enjoyed by the richer states; and whereas the larger asian states have rejected support from western big-capitalist mass advertisers (great firewall blocks in China for a while, zero rate stuff recently in India) the poorer states will welcome them (or their eastern counterparts.) Anyway, my point is not to rabbit hole on historical materialist futurology :)</div><div><div><br></div><div>What about the other XO models? I expect they also have a 20 year useful life. When were the last big purchases of XO-4s?</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We don't have these data, but for the most part, the design details didn't change regarding robustness and a number of improvements were made.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><br></div><div>Are Peru and Uruguay still buying XO-4s for each year's new school pupils? Given what I can peek at from relatively recent videos of schools in those countries, it seems they are not. </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>My last conversation (6 months ago) with Ceibal suggested that they were replacing XOs with other hardware. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><br></div><div>So, another prediction from me that is probably wrong: OLPC will not produce another hardware design. </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There were rumors circulating, but I have no knowledge one way or another. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><br></div><div>Does anyone know why the "XO Infinity" became the "Infinity"?</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Marketing.</div><div><br></div><div>The "Inifnity" machine is being developed by OLPC AU, not OLPC Association. No continuity between designs or design teams, so it is a complete unknown. Its "modular" design makes me suspicious since modular generally means more connectors, which are points of failure. But there are no data.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div class="gmail_extra">As usual the real challenges are far more social than technical: deliberate right-sizing of content/activity planning for the community in question (we are building a more content-rich version of HaitiOS from Sugar 0.108 and OLPC OS 13.2.7) while aligning peer-mentoring with adult-mentoring, and of course pressure from national testing around Grade 6-or-so in almost every country. These mammoths-in-the-room epic challenges keep eternally popping up for a reason (and sometimes even getting answered!!) Human Patterns across most all developing world communities, on all continents. </div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div></span><div>I see no problem with national testing. If kids are well educated, they can pass such tests without much preparation :)</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If only it were that simple. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class=""><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"></div><div class="gmail_extra">PS Dave, read through <a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Reuse_checklist" target="_blank">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Reuse_checklist</a> if you want to do a time-lapse overhaul refurb like <a href="http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME" target="_blank">http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME</a> </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Great video :) I'll focus on software for now, but this kind of checklist is awesome :D</div><span class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div class="gmail_extra">-- we even got the security guards involved in helping us out in such physical repair/upgrades in a restaurant in Haiti less than 2 week ago -- works far better than Miss/Mister Universe posters I guarantee it :}<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"></div></div></div></blockquote></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>:D<br>
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