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    I had a real interesting experience rooting my daugther's Fire Kids
    Edition that grandma gave for her bday.<br>
    I rooted it once. But there was a program to auto update it and then
    it had an android 5 further locked down device. Found another root
    hack out of it and made sure to stop and completely remove the
    autoupdater. Most of this process had to be done offline otherwise
    the tablet would download updates and reboot locked.<br>
    We removed all of the Amazon apps and installed only free software,
    including camera, gallery, file browser and home shell. There are
    nice android educational apps from f-droid (the only library/app
    store we have installed). The problem with Sugarizer as a shell is
    that it can only run sugarizer Activities (Sugar Web Activities) and
    not the Android apps. These activities are very limited on a first
    experience.<br>
    <br>
    I'll try to file bugs as I observe the children play with paint for
    instance (which lacks very important undo functionality for
    instance). Mariana made a square and a house in TurtleJS but then it
    crashed. It seems to do that often and she has not figured out the
    Journal yet which is very well hidden.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 07/04/16 a las 08:03, Dave Crossland
      escribió:<br>
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cite="mid:CAEozd0yWpLZNNW7xN1eb6373qidot6HPxS8ODThs2XmyvL943g@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi Tony
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        <div>Don't get me wrong, what I am excited about is being able
          to buy up Amazon's subsidised hardware and rip out their
          Android distro and put in a clean one. I'm not sure about
          putting in a GNU/Linux, a clean Android/Linux distro seems
          more likely to go smoothly. </div>
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        <div>As I understood them, there were some GSOC proposals for
          making Sugarizer into an Android shell, that would be make
          this strategy even more viable. </div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 6 April 2016 at 23:46, Tony Anderson
          <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net" target="_blank">tony_anderson@usa.net</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Actually not. The
              problem is that I really believe the deployed system needs
              to be free, meaning the deployment needs to pay no
              subscription fees or royalties to continue to use the
              device. Microsoft (and other vendors) suffer from the buy
              once model. All of them are trying to find a way to get a
              stable revenue stream as the telecoms do. Technically, the
              'cloud' is a sham. There is no way to provide a computer
              which is 50 times faster than the one in your hand. So
              having users execute code on a server is a non-starter.
              HTML is ok because the work is done on the client. Cloud
              storage is ok because the server action is as a file
              server, low processor overhead. Formatting Word documents
              on a server is not economical - unless that is your source
              of revenue.<br>
              <br>
              Durability yes, but the price premium is 2x. There will
              (and probably are) a plethora of 'head start' computers
              with such packages. However, with Sugar and a school
              server, we already put them to shame.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
                  color="#888888"><br>
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                  Tony</font></span>
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                  <div>On 04/07/2016 11:24 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">On 6 April 2016 at
                          20:49, Tony Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net"
                              target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tony_anderson@usa.net">tony_anderson@usa.net</a></a>></span>
                          wrote:<br>
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                            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Our
                              need is a deployable device - one that can
                              be purchased in quantities of 30+. <br>
                              If we develop a technique to install Sugar
                              on such a device, that can be done for all
                              of them at <br>
                              the time of deployment. So, if anyone can
                              find a suitable tablet with a manageable
                              price (less than $100)<br>
                              and can install Sugar on it from a usb
                              drive - it would be a boon.<br>
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                          <div>:D</div>
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                            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Sora
                              Edwards-Thro is planning a deployment with
                              the $50 Kindle Fire (an Android
                              derivative). Her intent <br>
                              is to use Sugarizer. I would recommend
                              adding the GCompris Android version. What
                              she really needs is <br>
                              a Sugarized version of the WriteBook
                              activity. So far, no one has stepped up to
                              take that on. Naturally, the strategic <br>
                              interest is how well the Kindle supports
                              learning.</div>
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                          <div>Fascinating!</div>
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                        I see <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://gizmodo.com/amazons-50-fire-tablet-is-the-impulse-buy-that-never-e-1731275123"
                          target="_blank">http://gizmodo.com/amazons-50-fire-tablet-is-the-impulse-buy-that-never-e-1731275123</a>
                        from 2015-09-17:<br>
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                          <div class="gmail_extra">If what you’re really
                            looking for is durability, though, the $100
                            Fire Kids Edition is the one you probably
                            want. Big, lifeproof rubber bumper, a 2-year
                            no-questions-asked replacement policy, a
                            kid-friendly web browser you can turn off or
                            add whitelisted sites to, and 10,000
                            pre-approved titles for junior to safely
                            watch.</div>
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          Dave</div>
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