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I had a real interesting experience rooting my daugther's Fire Kids
Edition that grandma gave for her bday.<br>
I rooted it once. But there was a program to auto update it and then
it had an android 5 further locked down device. Found another root
hack out of it and made sure to stop and completely remove the
autoupdater. Most of this process had to be done offline otherwise
the tablet would download updates and reboot locked.<br>
We removed all of the Amazon apps and installed only free software,
including camera, gallery, file browser and home shell. There are
nice android educational apps from f-droid (the only library/app
store we have installed). The problem with Sugarizer as a shell is
that it can only run sugarizer Activities (Sugar Web Activities) and
not the Android apps. These activities are very limited on a first
experience.<br>
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I'll try to file bugs as I observe the children play with paint for
instance (which lacks very important undo functionality for
instance). Mariana made a square and a house in TurtleJS but then it
crashed. It seems to do that often and she has not figured out the
Journal yet which is very well hidden.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 07/04/16 a las 08:03, Dave Crossland
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Tony
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<div>Don't get me wrong, what I am excited about is being able
to buy up Amazon's subsidised hardware and rip out their
Android distro and put in a clean one. I'm not sure about
putting in a GNU/Linux, a clean Android/Linux distro seems
more likely to go smoothly. </div>
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<div>As I understood them, there were some GSOC proposals for
making Sugarizer into an Android shell, that would be make
this strategy even more viable. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 6 April 2016 at 23:46, Tony Anderson
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Actually not. The
problem is that I really believe the deployed system needs
to be free, meaning the deployment needs to pay no
subscription fees or royalties to continue to use the
device. Microsoft (and other vendors) suffer from the buy
once model. All of them are trying to find a way to get a
stable revenue stream as the telecoms do. Technically, the
'cloud' is a sham. There is no way to provide a computer
which is 50 times faster than the one in your hand. So
having users execute code on a server is a non-starter.
HTML is ok because the work is done on the client. Cloud
storage is ok because the server action is as a file
server, low processor overhead. Formatting Word documents
on a server is not economical - unless that is your source
of revenue.<br>
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Durability yes, but the price premium is 2x. There will
(and probably are) a plethora of 'head start' computers
with such packages. However, with Sugar and a school
server, we already put them to shame.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
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Tony</font></span>
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<div>On 04/07/2016 11:24 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Our
need is a deployable device - one that can
be purchased in quantities of 30+. <br>
If we develop a technique to install Sugar
on such a device, that can be done for all
of them at <br>
the time of deployment. So, if anyone can
find a suitable tablet with a manageable
price (less than $100)<br>
and can install Sugar on it from a usb
drive - it would be a boon.<br>
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<div>:D</div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Sora
Edwards-Thro is planning a deployment with
the $50 Kindle Fire (an Android
derivative). Her intent <br>
is to use Sugarizer. I would recommend
adding the GCompris Android version. What
she really needs is <br>
a Sugarized version of the WriteBook
activity. So far, no one has stepped up to
take that on. Naturally, the strategic <br>
interest is how well the Kindle supports
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<div>Fascinating!</div>
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I see <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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from 2015-09-17:<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">If what you’re really
looking for is durability, though, the $100
Fire Kids Edition is the one you probably
want. Big, lifeproof rubber bumper, a 2-year
no-questions-asked replacement policy, a
kid-friendly web browser you can turn off or
add whitelisted sites to, and 10,000
pre-approved titles for junior to safely
watch.</div>
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