<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Dave Crossland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave@lab6.com" target="_blank">dave@lab6.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 April 2016 at 09:17, Walter Bender <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">the service model that is inherent to the web is really problematic from the point of view of children's privacy, security, and freedom.</blockquote></div><br></span>Nawwwww, it ain't inherent to the model! :) </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There is the model and there is how the model is being implemented in practice.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Off the top of my head, here are 3 projects that adapt the software freedom movement to the model:</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><a href="http://sandstorm.io" target="_blank">http://sandstorm.io</a><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><a href="https://owncloud.org" target="_blank">https://owncloud.org</a><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><a href="https://unhosted.org" target="_blank">https://unhosted.org</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>UnHosted is pretty interesting.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">"There is no cloud, just other people's computers," says the FSFE.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">"There is no cloud, just other people's computers - that you can rent," I say. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Some people on this list surely own their own home, free and clear. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Many more people on this list surely rent a home. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">People who rent a container instance on someone else's computer and run libre software on it are enjoying privacy, security and freedom. </div></div>
</blockquote></div><br>I agree. If we design for the Cloud as if it were simply an extension of the local file system we are "renting" then it is not much different than what we have right now. But as soon as we start relying on remote services, most of which as not free/libre, we run into the problems I was alluding to. So it behooves us to show how it can be done in a way that respects freedom.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">-walter</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font><font>Walter Bender</font></font><br><font><font>Sugar Labs</font></font></div><div><font><a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><font>http://www.sugarlabs.org</font></a></font><br><a href="http://www.sugarlabs.org" target="_blank"><font></font></a><br></div></div></div>
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