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    Hi, Walter<br>
    <br>
    +1 The effort is amazing. The issue is going forward. We still have
    a large number of XO-1s, XO-1.5s and XO-1.75s deployed and hopefully
    in daily use.<br>
    This community is the only source of maintenance for these units. As
    many have said, this gives us a moral requirement not to turn our
    backs on these <br>
    users. At the same time developers feel constrained to the limits of
    these platforms. We don't have the luxury of Ubuntu or Microsoft to
    set a date to end support - the XOs LTS will last for many more
    years.<br>
    <br>
    Tony<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/06/2016 08:29 AM, Walter Bender
      wrote:<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Tony
            Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> In my experience
                this can simplified. Developers want to use the latest
                fastest hardware and work with the latest fashionable
                software. <br>
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                In general, supporting already deployed systems is
                maintenance. What is needed for the XO-1 and other
                out-of-production models (AFIK only the XO-4 is in
                production), is maintenance. <br>
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            <div>Tony,</div>
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            <div>I don't think it is that simple. The world changes and
              we cannot ignore those changes. For example, changes
              Google made a few years back made Browse break. To fix
              Browse, we needed to pull in "fashionable" software. Or
              tell our users that they cannot use Google products.
              (Simply from the point of view of security, we need to
              keep pace with external developments.) That said, I think
              the Sugar community has made an extraordinary effort to
              keep the XO-1 experience viable.</div>
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            <div>-walter</div>
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                It will be difficult, but essential for the community to
                find people who are willing to take on the challenge of
                maintaining and, where possible, expanding the
                educational experience that the XO can offer. <br>
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                    Tony</font></span>
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                    <div>On 04/05/2016 07:37 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:<br>
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                        Hi James<br>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">On 1 April 2016 at
                            15:06, James Cameron <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                              me spin you a tail.<br>
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                              The myth of forward human development
                              doesn't apply to software.<br>
                              <br>
                              This is a parade of people, several
                              walking abreast, beside a slow<br>
                              moving flat bed truck, all holding on to a
                              ribbon.<br>
                              <br>
                              The truck is the world, and the internet
                              as it stands.<br>
                              <br>
                              The first person, next to the truck, are
                              our learners or users.<br>
                              <br>
                              The second person is Sugar Labs; with our
                              activities, and Sugar.<br>
                              <br>
                              The third person is distributions of
                              Linux, like Fedora and Ubuntu,<br>
                              <br>
                              The fourth person are the hardware
                              vendors, like commodity suppliers<br>
                              or OLPC.<br>
                              <br>
                              The fifth person are the Linux kernel
                              developers.<br>
                              <br>
                              As the procession walks beside the truck,
                              the ribbon is not always<br>
                              straight.<br>
                              <br>
                              Some people walk faster than others.  Some
                              let go of the ribbon and<br>
                              others take their place.<br>
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                              I'm glad you're here, you're bringing a
                              new perspective.<br>
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                              But the ribbon is actually toilet paper,
                              so the pressure to keep up,<br>
                              while real, doesn't get felt, instead the
                              paper breaks.<br>
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                              Do not target a rapidly diminishing
                              enthusiastic group, or the future<br>
                              users will suffer.<br>
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                            <div>I'm sorry, I didn't fully understand
                              you here at the last line. You had said
                              earlier,</div>
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                              <div>>     for the future of Sugar
                                Labs, they should be concentrating on</div>
                              <div>>     later designs than one from
                                2007 that is no longer available and</div>
                              <div>>     rapidly dying from old age.</div>
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                            <div>So you mean, it would be unwise for
                              Sugar Lab's vision/mission/strategy for
                              the next 3-5 years to focus on supporting
                              the rapidly diminishing (yet enthusiastic)
                              group of XO owners, and focus on the
                              future users who are not XO owners?</div>
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                            <div>Cheers<br>
                              Dave</div>
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              <div><font><font>Walter Bender</font></font><br>
                <font><font>Sugar Labs</font></font></div>
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