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Hi, Walter<br>
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+1 The effort is amazing. The issue is going forward. We still have
a large number of XO-1s, XO-1.5s and XO-1.75s deployed and hopefully
in daily use.<br>
This community is the only source of maintenance for these units. As
many have said, this gives us a moral requirement not to turn our
backs on these <br>
users. At the same time developers feel constrained to the limits of
these platforms. We don't have the luxury of Ubuntu or Microsoft to
set a date to end support - the XOs LTS will last for many more
years.<br>
<br>
Tony<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/06/2016 08:29 AM, Walter Bender
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Tony
Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> In my experience
this can simplified. Developers want to use the latest
fastest hardware and work with the latest fashionable
software. <br>
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In general, supporting already deployed systems is
maintenance. What is needed for the XO-1 and other
out-of-production models (AFIK only the XO-4 is in
production), is maintenance. <br>
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<div>Tony,</div>
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<div>I don't think it is that simple. The world changes and
we cannot ignore those changes. For example, changes
Google made a few years back made Browse break. To fix
Browse, we needed to pull in "fashionable" software. Or
tell our users that they cannot use Google products.
(Simply from the point of view of security, we need to
keep pace with external developments.) That said, I think
the Sugar community has made an extraordinary effort to
keep the XO-1 experience viable.</div>
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<div>-walter</div>
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It will be difficult, but essential for the community to
find people who are willing to take on the challenge of
maintaining and, where possible, expanding the
educational experience that the XO can offer. <br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"> <br>
Tony</font></span>
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<div>On 04/05/2016 07:37 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:<br>
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15:06, James Cameron <span dir="ltr"><<a
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0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Let
me spin you a tail.<br>
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The myth of forward human development
doesn't apply to software.<br>
<br>
This is a parade of people, several
walking abreast, beside a slow<br>
moving flat bed truck, all holding on to a
ribbon.<br>
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The truck is the world, and the internet
as it stands.<br>
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The first person, next to the truck, are
our learners or users.<br>
<br>
The second person is Sugar Labs; with our
activities, and Sugar.<br>
<br>
The third person is distributions of
Linux, like Fedora and Ubuntu,<br>
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The fourth person are the hardware
vendors, like commodity suppliers<br>
or OLPC.<br>
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The fifth person are the Linux kernel
developers.<br>
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As the procession walks beside the truck,
the ribbon is not always<br>
straight.<br>
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Some people walk faster than others. Some
let go of the ribbon and<br>
others take their place.<br>
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I'm glad you're here, you're bringing a
new perspective.<br>
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But the ribbon is actually toilet paper,
so the pressure to keep up,<br>
while real, doesn't get felt, instead the
paper breaks.<br>
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Do not target a rapidly diminishing
enthusiastic group, or the future<br>
users will suffer.<br>
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<div>I'm sorry, I didn't fully understand
you here at the last line. You had said
earlier,</div>
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<div>> for the future of Sugar
Labs, they should be concentrating on</div>
<div>> later designs than one from
2007 that is no longer available and</div>
<div>> rapidly dying from old age.</div>
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<div>So you mean, it would be unwise for
Sugar Lab's vision/mission/strategy for
the next 3-5 years to focus on supporting
the rapidly diminishing (yet enthusiastic)
group of XO owners, and focus on the
future users who are not XO owners?</div>
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<div>Cheers<br>
Dave</div>
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