<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 April 2016 at 20:29, Walter Bender <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:walter.bender@gmail.com" target="_blank">walter.bender@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I think the Sugar community has made an extraordinary effort to keep the XO-1 experience viable.</blockquote></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div>I think that the Sugar community OUGHT to keep up that effort. It would be immoral to abandon 1 million kids who are using XOs. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">But I do not think XOs, and the python desktop, should be a primary focus of the Sugar Labs vision and mission for the net 5 years.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">If we lost 50% of them in 10 years, I expect we'll lose another 50% in the next 5 years, and another 50% in 2 years, and 50% the year after that, and it is still 100,000 machines for kids in the poorest regions. And then its 2024 and there will be $20 ChromeOS laptops and Google Loon. <br><br><div class="gmail_extra">Overall, as I've learned more about Sugar Labs in the last few weeks, I think the general situation for the project today is really awesome!! </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">The finance aspect of SL today is interesting. It is fairly unusual that a GPL project ends up sitting on a BUCKET of money - not a BIG bucket, but still, c-a-p-i-t-a-l. The logic of capitalism is to reproduce the capital bigger and bigger. A volunteer-led non-profit should still be following that logic, in my opinion: I would like to see that in 12 months time, that 80k has been spent in ways that the SL balance is 160k or 240k. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">GSOC and GCI are already funding some software advances, and the systems team and github maintainers seem very active, so I think paying for development doesn't make sense. I am also somewhat skeptical about paying for translation, given that the current software overall is dying out. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">But perhaps it should. I see at <a href="https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/graphs/contributors">https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/graphs/contributors</a> that Sugar is basically a 10 year old technology. And it dying out is good news, in a way... because Lionel has - I think - really done a SUPER amazing thing with founding and leading the development of Sugarizer. The decline of the Pythonic Sugar is like a bush fire, terrifying while it approaches but afterwards has made room for essential new growth :) </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">When I met Walter for the first time at FSF Libre Planet, we talked for a good couple of hours. In that time, we briefly discussed his disdain for JavaScript, a common refrain in the libre software community - <a href="http://pyjs.org">http://pyjs.org</a>, anyone? ;) Well, for me, if the only thing Sugar Labs did in the next 5 years was help kids to learn Logo and then JS, that would be a really powerful thing. 10 years ago I would have been satisfied if OLPC had shipped Emacs without X Windows, because when I was 8 years old all I got was a crappy BASIC prompt and no disk storage! :) So the current porting of Python Activities to JavaScript, which can still be used within the Python Sugar Desktop, is a really cool hack. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I would be happy if by 2020 the "classic" Sugar desktop was totally gone. Zero Python! In its place could be a laptop OS derived from ChromiumOS, plus a nodejs web server serving on localhost that is stuffed full of activities and content. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I think SL became a cottage industry vendor of something like <a href="http://solarspell.org">http://solarspell.org</a> that is preinstalled with that brimming-over httpd configuration. The development graph of <a href="http://schoolserver.org">http://schoolserver.org</a> is very different to Sugar - <a href="https://github.com/XSCE/xsce/graphs/contributors">https://github.com/XSCE/xsce/graphs/contributors</a> - which is a great way of adapting to $100 big screen phones and tablets. And there are some clever things like <a href="https://outernet.is">https://outernet.is</a> happening that make updating the software on such servers in places that have no other network connections easier and easier. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I think Sugar Labs can act as a focal point to inspire and educate people to put them together by volunteers and sell them through Sugar Labs to raise funds for the project; that's what the trademarks are for. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I think the first generation of kids like Samson should be found, and with them developed some OER about co-operative business basics, so it is textbook-clear how to start and run a Local Lab that pays its labor and generates a surplus - not a profit - that is used to grow the whole thing.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div>
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